You have not the truth.

Sometimes you don’t have the truth, because you don’t want the truth. I was just watching another of those charming, yet so annoying articles that actually had the adacity to get printed recently, like November or something like that.

Now I often say it, no press is bad press, but today at this moment at time, I’am thinking it, sometimes you just don’t have the truth, because you don’t want the truth. You don’t have the credence, or the respect you deserve to have because you as a community, and a society are enabling them to print joke articles such as this, the article was just annoying, it’s another article where T.I. Targeted Individuals are hearing voices, sure you hearing freaking voices, but if the articles doesn’t do you credit, then be all over it. It’s the type of article that sites such as FFCHS, typically sponser and their minions and I am tried of it, I litterly read the article and I seriously wanted to reprove someone from their situations, I seriously wanted to remove them from situations, I seriously wanted to reprove them from their outcomes. After how hard some of us have
worked in our situations, after how hard some of us have worked in our outcomes, I serioiusly wanted to be in the correct situations, and have the correct situations, thus occuring, and thus co-happening to me.

Instead I am greeted by another article that was sutable for the inside of a birdcage, or the local washroom fascilities if you managed to forget your toilet tissue. The fact that the Threat Assessment Teams are behind this has been documented, court cases, you have them, you have a stunning court case in the form of the Jane Clift case. I am cognizant that Targeted Individuals
are out there, you typically still make sense, but you need to be in the correct situations, and have the correct situations thus occuring, and thus co-happening to you. This means when articles that are fit for the trash compactor are printing, and the latest govenment sponsored websites is noted that trying to, or attempting to take over the situations are out there, and stepping up to us, they need to be stepped back to, they need to be responded to.

Instead what I see and veiw at times is a community enabling us to go backwards in time to the stone age, the bloodly stone age, for gosh sakes, I couldn’t even believe the article, or that any editor with any credibility whatsoever enabled that to be printed as a well researched article, there were so many glaring errors, and omissions, not only that, but honestly simple mistakes as to what Gang Stalking is, vs what Electronic Harssment is, though they are losely affliated, and often one does thus occur with the other, they need not be mutually exclusive, in and in and of themselves.

I use to think that most articles, most press was suitable, even if it was not the best represented, but I have personally moved forward, so have so many others, they have the truth, and they much like myself are not willing to return to the stone age, or the bed of lies and deceptions. It’s not going to be that type if situation, but it so often is, because in those moments, if you won’t stand up for it, claim it own it, and and defend it, then others will, and they all too often still do not do justice to the Targeted Individal community, those stories have a specific spin, and bent for a reason, the moment I saw who had posted the link, i was clear that it was going to be that type of story, that type of situation.

The bloodly lameness has to stop, it has to discontine, because it does not make sense to me, it does not make sense to anyone else. You had enlightenment, any and everytime, I see or watch you deliberatly going back to the dark age, it will be that type of situation, cause I am frankly bloodly well tired of dealing with it.

The article, yeah I couldn’t even bother, just more fod for the fire, or like whatever, but the truth, not that has substance, and when I see it, and when I find it, then it makes sense, in the mean time, down with the sickness, the stupidity, and things that don’t make sense.

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Psychiatric Reprisal

The Psychiatric Reprisal

What it is

This was a practice first identified as being used in the former Soviet Union. Targets of this practice were misdiagnosed as mentally ill, many were placed in state run psychiatric facilities.

Thousands upon thousands of individuals were targeted and systemically eliminated this way before the practice was brought to light and drew international attention.

The primary targets of this practice were dissidents, activists, those who tried to exercise their rights, or who wrote or published items that the state did not approve of. Those practicing freedom of religion. Also those who practiced minority or ethnic rights.

The practice was brought to the attention of the United Nations in 1969, and brought some condemnation in 1974, but this did little to change what was happening. The practice continued. It was only in 1991 when change was happening on the world stage, that the issue was again examined in more depth and the practice seems to have diminished.

Russia is not the only country to have used this practice. The practice was also heavily used in China as well. They also used this as a way of dealing with political dissidence.

What was interesting about the research into this practice is the idea that a whole field of professionals can become corrupted and misguided in their views. Believing that any form of dissidence is a mental illness.

She could not sleep that night, and became increasingly worried during subsequent months as more instructions from Moscow appeared on her desk. They were unusual, and what was worse, they confirmed her fears of that very first night: The author, Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev, was not normal. Actually, he was ill, clearly suffering from what was widely known in Soviet psychiatry as “sluggish schizophrenia.” And indeed, Gorbachev had all the symptoms: struggle for the truth, perseverance, reformist ideas, and willingness to go against the grain. My interlocutor continued to believe in her diagnosis until the Soviet Union collapsed and the windows to the world were opened wide. Only then did she realize that her concept of mental illness, shared by virtually all the approxi-mately 45,000 Soviet psychiatrists, was what was abnormal and that Gorbachev had been normal all along.

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What is frightening is the realization of how indoctrinated these health professionals were. That they so implicitly believed the propaganda of what the state taught them to, and were willing to turn this indoctrination on innocent citizens. Just like some of the Nazi’s in Germany, many were following what they had been told or taught to do.

The overwhelming multitude of Soviet psychiatrists either had never participated in the political abuse of psychiatry, had tried to avoid being trapped by authorities into taking part, or had no idea that they were hospitalizing people who according to international standards were in perfect mental health—if such a thing exists. They followed thee criteria that they had been taught by a monopolized psychiatric educational system that was dominated by the Moscow School headed by Professor Snezhnevsky. They had been cut off from international psychiatry and had no knowledge of what their colleagues in the outside, “bourgeois” world believed. If any information trickled through, it was immediately seen as an offspring of degenerated bourgeois societies.

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Many times we like to view these individuals as evil. Denizens of the state who cruelly and unconscionably tortured and falsely inprisioned innocent citizens, but what history is repeatedly showing time and again is that things are often not the cut and dried. These psychiatrist in many cases apparently did not realise the evil that they were doing. They in many cases were following a criteria, a set of standards laid out for them, by a governing body, and anyone who fell into specific criterias, were automatically labelled mentally ill.

They were part of a society in which private initiative, independent thinking, and going against the grain were, at the least, considered dangerous and were often branded criminal. They were part of a society that was taught that anybody who was different, both in thought and in appearance, was “not normal” and thereby almost inherently was “antisocial” and “antisocialist.” When combined with the theories of “sluggish schizophrenia,” this training made it very easy to convince rankand-file psychiatrists, who had only a Soviet education and no access to world psychiatry, that any person who went against the Communist Party and was willing to risk the happiness of both his family and himself had to be mentally ill.

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These professional had a limited lens by which to judge, and so they went with what they had been taught, they followed the guidelines without question, and placed people into categories based on predetermined criterias. Could the same pattern be re-emerging in other societies? Could these same patterns be happening in democratic countries? Could health professionals also be following a set of criteria, and misdiagnosing perfectly healthy individuals as mentally unwell, schizophrenic, without having ever met them face to face, based solely on predetermined criteria?

Dissidents were held for observation in the fourth (“political”) department, and in most cases mental illness was the eventual diagnosis—almost invariably accompanied by a diagnosis of “sluggish schizophrenia.” When the investigative commission reviewed the files, the retired psychiatrist recognized many names under the diagnoses: former colleagues, sometimes friends, known to her as good professionals. The diagnoses were composed as though she had written them herself: the same style, the same terminology, and probably the same conclusions. Yet when the commission subsequently examined the 60 former victims in person, she was shocked, devastated.

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What is really scary is how these diagnosis were handed out and delivered. By her own admission this psychiatrist would likely have put many of these individuals away, yet in person they still remained healthy fully functioning individuals, even after years of surviving the Soviet hell that they were put through.

As I said earlier, after the fall of the Soviet regime we found that the truth about Soviet psychiatry was even more horrific than we had imagined. The political abuse of psychiatry was only the tip of the iceberg. The Soviet regime had ostracized any person who was not productive, who did not fulfill the image of the healthy socialist person laboring for the common good—the radiant communist future.

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Could these same criteria be slowly getting implemented in many democratic societies? Could this same agenda be making it’s way to the west? Will the citizens of the western world soon experience what their counter parts in the former Soviet Union did? A systemic abuse of power that targets 1 in 3 political prisoners?. A practice that touched possibly millions of innocent lives?

Approximately one in three political prisoners were held in psychiatric hospitals rather than in camps and prisons. Yet, the thousands of victims of these political abuses form only the tip of the iceberg of millions of Soviet citizens who fell victim to totalitarian Soviet psychiatry.

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The American Psychiatric Association is said to be writing it’s soon to be updated version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual and the criteria for mental illness might surprise some individuals.

Paranoid Propaganda

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/paranoid/

Please read the above post.

I made this into a full post, because I very firmly feel that whenever accusations of this kind come up, they must be addressed and set where they belong. A poster from the forum, found my blog posting, and left a comment. Now maybe the poster left it for good, as useful feedback, or maybe it’s just another informant, who is trying to make Gang Stalking sites look like they encourage delusions. As I have said before in dealing with now hundreds if not thousands of people who have come through the site, the long term feedback has been that they feel validated, most knew that something was happening, but did not know what. Some considered crazy as an option, but crazy did not match what they were seeing and most are people who kept looking for other answers to what was happening to them.

I don’t know what the situation was like in Russia when the state started saying that dissidents were crazy. I imagine that many tried to prove that they were not, and tried to also expose what was happening. I do know that in Russia part of what got the abuses exposed were target telling their stories, till there were enough that people started listening. I believe that targets must do similar if they are going to be heard and expose what our governments are now doing.

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/too-much-truth/

[quote]I am a member of that forum. The member being gangstalked that you mentioned has said that she is a diagnosed schizophrenic who doesn’t want to take her medication. I assume that you haven’t read any threads posted by her other than the gangstalking one. She said she is being gangstalked by evil or negative energies because she knows who the antichrist is. You were banned because you unknowningly reinforced her delusions.[/quote]

This is the reason the account was banned.

Gangstalking, stop spamming with your links. You seem to be here on a propaganda mission. We don’t allow those kinds of accounts.

Spamming, I was not, at least not intentionally and the links could have been removed. I was posting researched information, not a propaganda mission.

Just because she has been diagnosed as crazy, does not mean that she is. Gloria Naylor a famous target was diagnosed as crazy and is not.

Without knowing more about her case, it’s impossible to know if she really is crazy, or a target or both. The targeting can make you crazy. Just look at what happened in Russia. Targets of the state were consistently diagnosed as crazy.

In America today, the psychiatric reprisal is being used on more and more people who are not crazy.

http://www.harassment101.com/Article5.html
http://www.psychologistethics.net/
http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.com/search/label/lisa

Good sources of info about people who the state tried to put away as being crazy. It does happen.

Most people choose to believe that someone who talks about being followed around are crazy first and then they ask questions. I do the opposite, I choose to believe that people are sane first and then I ask the questions.

If posting articles about, Cointelpro, The Stasi, and our current surveillance society is going to encourage people to go crazy, or encourage paranoid delusions, then it’s unfortunate, because it’s reality. We live in a surveillance society. Innocent people are being stalked and monitored.

As evidence was presented, questions were asked. She said she knew who the anti-christ was and that she could speak to the dead. Lot’s of people think that, without necessarily being crazy. I did ask her why she felt that way in both cases.

The only thing that I did further was share with her information that myself and others have discovered about the multi generational aspect of Gang Stalking, which is also a fact.

I deeply feel sorry, and concerned about people who think that having good solid information will make people fall further into delusions. God forbid she go to sites about surveillance operations, or read books on such, or watch a tv show on such. God forbid, because I guess that those would be guilty of feeding her delusions as well.

This came up last year interestingly enough. God forbid people read the bible and it fuel their delusions of an omnipotent being that controls the world who they can’t see, but who they believe others have talked to. God further forbid such people to to Churches, Mosques, Synagogue and find others who further their delusions.

Providing a person with credible information about a problem that is happening to others is just that, it’s information that is available in books, on T.V., Youtube, and in other places. This information about Cointelpro, Mobbing, The Stasi, and other forms of harassment were available for years, as long as crazy people have thought that they were being stalked, which in cases like John Lennon turned out not to be paranoia.

The girl might be a real target, that possibility exists. She might also be crazy, that possibility exists. She might also be an agent who specifically is trying to link crazy and Gang Stalking. We had so much of that on Youtube, and on forums. There are agents of the state on most forums. This is a fact. Let me know if you need articles.

You could be here trying to be helpful, but you could also be here trying to link Gang Stalking with enhancing and encouraging the delusions of others. Eg. It’s not the first time this has happened, but as pointed out, these websites do not encourage delusions, anymore than watching tv shows, reading books, or visiting other sites on topic such as Cointelpro, or Stasi website.

If you are here with good intention’s then I thank you, but based on the original posting, and a discussion I had with the webmaster of the forum, that is not why I was banned. If your intentions are to try to link Gang Stalking sites with encouraging the delusions of the crazy, then we have been there done that, and you failed then a well.

Read the links that I posted. People are being set up to be declared as crazy, by our democratic countries. This is sick and wrong like it was in Russia. Because someone is declared crazy does not mean that they are. The girl was being teased and bullied. Crazy or sane that was not right and I stepped in because that is the human thing to do, and I will never regret doing the right and just human thing, in trying to stop her from being picked on. I told her that my first instinct is to believe her and you don’t know how needful that is, but then of course as I get to know her, I would look at the facts in her case and give feedback accordingly.

Even with real targets if I feel that they can not handle their targeting, I will always recommend they seek a support circle. Now I ask you what is being being believed and listened to, or being picked on and put down. She told her story, As I told the girl, I don’t know her and can not judge her crazy. I would rather take her word till more of her case is presented. Wither that is that she turns out to be yet another informant, crazy, target, or something else.

I hope that helps.

What would Jesus do?

Yeah the title sounds corny, but if you remember what this weekend is, it’s Easter weekend, and yesterday was good Friday. That’s the day the state assasinated him by nailing him to a cross, after bringing up phoney charges against him, by false witnesses. Sound familiar?

He came with a mission to help people. He was persecuted at times, until finally the state found a way to target him once and for all. They used a snitch that was a part of his company to sell him out, and along the way he had to tell the powers that be that they were corrupt and misleading the people. He would get angry at times, he also found it frustrating how people were at times. The spread rumours about him, said he had a demon, that he was crazy, a friend of sinners and publicans, they asked him all sorts of questions to try to set him up, like is it right to pay taxes? Hoping he would say no, so they could set him up.

In doing this activism, I realise that State oppression and the parasite informants don’t change that much. The same stuff that happened then, is the same stuff that pretty much happens now. The world does not change, and the people in charge know how to manipulate the people in the system. They know how to keep people in check, give them a sense of freedom, and then keep then in check in various ways.

I have been thinking about this a lot, because I am wondering what he would do about the informants? Would he try to out them, out them but subtly, or just ignore them? I have been thinking about the ways he handled himself, because I see a lot of this stuff is the same. He came across the same kind of system.

The more I see of these people’s actions and the deliberate tactics they use, the more I am reminded of his activism/ministry. I know a lot of people might not be able to relate, or this might not be there cup of tea, but if you are a target, it might not hurt to brush up on the way he handled irritating people who were spreading rumours, slander, a family that cared for him, but might not have been there for him, the way he needed, people trying to set him up, officials that were corrupt and teaching the common people all the wrong things, and Judas the snitch that would betray him.

Most times I just ignore them, but I don’t think this is the right approach, so I have been wondering what others would do. I know people always think of Jesus as peaceable, and for the most part he was, but he was not above telling the corrupt leaders what they were, what they were doing to the people, and he could hold his own.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/mat009.htm

The same type of parasites then and now. It’s fascinating, but it’s true. So that’s what I have been wondering, how did he handle being around Judas, how do you handle these snitches? How do you handle the provocation they bring, and cause, and what is the best way to deal with them?

I think you can learn a lot from the past, but I also think each activist is going to be different and you have to find ways to deal with each situation. What works for one will not work for the other, and yet we can take advise from past targets and apply them quite easily to the current situations at hand in trying to determine what to do under some circumstance.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/mat011.htm

[quote]18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.[/quote]

Always trying to find something. They also called him crazy at times as well.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/mat012.htm
[quote] 14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.[/quote]

Always looking for a way to bring down those who would question and challenge the system.

A lot of the stuff John Lennon said is coming back to me as well. The quote is from the US vs John Lennon.

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/the-us-vs-john-lennon/

[quote]“When it gets down to having to use violence then you are playing the systems games. The establishment irritates you, pull your beard and flick your face to make you fight, because once they have you violent then they know how to handle you. “
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They really don’t change that much, this parasitic element. I guess each person in every generation has to find their own way to deal with them, and leave what they can for the next target.

It’s interesting however, a lot does not change in the way these people think work and operate, it would be nice for once to fully win.

Credibility reviews and terms

I think someone needed a little bit of free publicity so here it is. Eleanor White dropped by one of my blogs and left a comment. This post is in response to the comment that was left. I don’t want to spend too much time on this, but as I said before, I felt this issue had gone on long enough and recently choose to intervene.

[quote]I’m sorry the author of the “gang” stalking web sites and e-book can’t seem to grasp why I object to the term “gang” stalking.  I thought my reviews explained that pretty clearly.[/quote]

Eleanor, I appreciate that you, object to the use of the term. I appreciate that you and those working towards the same goal as you, want to have people discontinue the use of the term Gang Stalking.

I disagree with this. I think if you and yours wish to use the term, then please use the term for your activism. You are deterring the efforts of others, others who have had success with the term.

I have pointed out that some use the term Community Mobbing, Community Harassment, and several others to describe the same thing, and I think that is fine, as long as they get the correct message across to the audience.

[quote]I’ve been an activist for 13 years, and during three of those years, I spent some time almost every day right out in the street, discussing the crime of organized stalking and electronic harassment with the public.[/quote]

That’s great Eleanor, I have spent just under three years and I have been using the term Gang Stalking, and that has worked just fine for me and several others. If this term does not work for you, then I appreciate this. However by telling others that the preferred term is Organised Stalking, you are interfering with the rights of others to use the terms they prefer. I have now seen others on the Internet telling others that they have to use Organised Stalking now, and that is not correct or accurate.

If this is the term you prefer, then great. I think it’s wonderful that you and some of yours wish to use the term. I think that there is more than enough room in the Targeted Individual community for a variety of terms.

[quote]I tried a number of terms.  Other anti-OS activists have also tried a number of terms.

With “gang” stalking, I found that the mind of my listener immediately and consistently got the image that I was talking about being stalked by some sort of ordinary gang, such as race gang, youth gang, biker gang, or Mafia.[/quote]

Great Eleanor, I don’t know what your demographics are, and I don’t know who you come across in your activism.
Eg. Someone coming across someone from the Cointelpro era might wish to use that term. Someone coming across a demographic that is riddled with the stop snitching, informant culture, might wish to use another term, and coming across people from Eastern Europe, I find reference to Stasi to work a bit better.
I encounter a lot of younger people, I also encounter a lot of cultural diversity and I use the term that best suits the situation. Not every term will work for every person, so I use what’s appropriate and make sure that the right concept is getting across. I adapt to the situation and that works for me, because of who I am.

Maybe organised stalking worked for you, because of who you were and the types of people that you came across.

[quote]That is clearly the WRONG picture of current day organized stalking groups.[/quote]

The way you do it, yes. But for some of the demographics that I reach it’s not. There are people that like the slang Gang Stalking, and it works with some demographics. The ones that will get this culturally accepted as other methods have not worked as well. So why not work all angles? What’s the reason for trying to get rid of the term that has been a success for three years, and starting from scratch. It’s the same as if we tried to get rid of the term Targeted Individuals, it would just destroy those efforts.

[quote]I have tried “vigilante stalking” too.  That worked to some degree, but didn’t seem to paint a really clear picture in the minds of my listeners.[/quote]

Again Eleanor it’s how you present it, and who is presenting it. It’s all based on who the activist is, and the demographics that you try to reach, what works for one, does not work for another. If you look across the net, the term has reach a variety of groups, they are familiar with the term and they use it. I refuse to see that effort killed because you have a preferred term.

I have a preferred goal of getting this exposed, and I think using whatever terms work, to get the concept across. I could not use the term vigilante stalking with a straight face, because I hate the term, add all the false disinformation bs that goes with it. Another person whoever could use the term with no discomfort and probably over 85-95% success rate.

I say give them a bunch of terms. Having reviewed discussions about this, and the conversations people get up to, I see some refer to it as Cointelpro again, others as Stasi, let people use what they want to use, as long as the end message is the same, more or less and the concept get’s across, because exposure is the key.

In the modern day world Eleanor, it’s not the up to down effect that get terms introduced into society, it’s often the other way around. The terms start at a ground level, or urban level, gain popularity and go from there, that is the trend I am seeing with other terms and concepts that have become popularised and mainstream, and that is the angle that I am using.

Please don’t take this the wrong way Eleanor. You tend to be very old fashioned about certain things, and I like to take a modern approach, look for new ways to get things done, to reach and work with a modern audience. I like to use those methods and concepts, that works for me, and some others like me. This might not work for you, that’s fine.

[quote]Then Lynn Troxel originated “organized” stalking.  By FAR, that term brings the unaware listener to an accurate picture of the crime of OS, and does so quickly.[/quote]

It does not however. When I sought help, the terms and concept that worked best was community mobbing, because people have an idea of what mobbing is, and by saying it happens in the community, they got that. The same was true when I sought help at the other websites. Two of the mobbing sites based on the description I gave, immediately decided to add links to Gang Stalking websites, I emailed about 10-15 stalking sites, and they did not see the relevance to what happens to them. Think about that, those activists did not see the relevance or significance.

[quote]In the effort to first educate the public, and eventually get the crime stopped, I feel the term which creates an accurate picture of the crime, and does so quickly, is quite important to find and use.  The unaware public is not interested in taking on “another headache” or another worry, and doesn’t give anti-OS activists much in the way of attention span.  Often just seconds.[/quote]

I think if you use the most accurate term and do not add the appropriate information this does no good. I have spoken to you before about the continued effort of letting people think this is vigilantes, or right wing extremists behind this, but you keep pushing David Lawson. Oddly enough.

[quote]This is why I speak out against “gang” stalking and promote “organized” stalking.  Nothing more mysterious than that.[/quote]

I don’t know if I believe that, but it does not matter. The point is what you and the others associated with this effort are doing is killing other efforts that have gone before. Where to really have maximum effectiveness, people should have a variety of terms at their arsenal to help with getting this exposed. Many hate the term organized stalking, and do not feel that it truly expresses what is happening to them. The stalking term vs the mobbing term for example. They don’t feel that stalking even comes close to describing what is happening, and it takes the attention away from the meat and potatoes. I let people use what they want. I want to train people up to do their own thing, not be told what to do, and use. I do agree that uniformity is nice to have in some quarters, but I fully disagree in this one.

[quote]I also object to activism materials that state government is doing the stalking.  We do not have evidence, as of today, which proves that.  Such claims are part of the e-book “Bridging the Gap.”[/quote]

Oddly enough, you were happy to support David Lawson and unsubstantiated claims of vigilante stalking, but you have a problem with this. You never had more than David Lawson claiming this was done by vigilante gangs, but you never objecting to misleading people down this path, but with so much proof that government is doing this you object.

We have Tim Rice telling us that they were doing 24/7 surveillance on Journalist and others.

We have the ACLU telling us about Fusion centers and what they are doing, and about people being put under investigations. That these people will be communicating in code.

We have a billion and one articles from the Uk press telling us about the covert surveillance that individuals are being placed under, and the tactics being used, which match ours in many cases.

I have posted a passage from a police training manual about how to handle informants, and the book even says that they use a one handed sign language.

Bob the lawyer some of you all hired has said this. The success that people have had with court cases mostly involve going after the government. I speak of Donald Friedman and the FOIA released, and Jesus Medoza and what he heard back from his case, that he has blogged about.

Not to mention the book the Buzzsaw, which show how journalist go through something similar.

Plus the history of Cointelpro and the Stasi.

With all this you were willing to put forward and support a theory and book, that had the potential to get targets in trouble, but you object to hard information.

The ebook in question, just like the hiddenevil.com, have you had a chance to review that site? http:www.TheHiddenEvil.com let me know what you think. You must have just been sleeping, and missed this site.
Have evidence to show that the government could be behind this.

I think the ebook in question that you are referring to, asks the question of why would the government do this to their own citizens, and the book answers the question. Do you want books, and material looking at the issue of Gang Stalking to leave this stuff out? That does not sound right to make. I get that you making unfounded accusations is not good, but that is not the case. The books back up their theories with current research. Including research from the ACLU on modern fusion centers.

[quote]There is nothing hidden or nefarious in my credibility reviews on:[/quote]

When I fist say you and Kelly discussing this I thought oh my gosh, witch hunt. I left it as it was. I wondered how long it would be till my site and other legit sites made the witch hunt, but I left it as it was, because I knew it was coming, but I hoped the community would be smarter than that.

Those reviews are again, your opinion of what you think is good and bad, and you want others to mindlessly agree to this without thinking.

As per the email I sent you, requesting you remove my site, because I did not appreciate it there. I did not think that you had the right to label my site bogus, because you do not like alphabetical order. I did send you an email and you said if I changed the order of my listing, I might get approved, well you know what I think of that?

You are putting sites there for minor things, so instead of going after the people, these so called credibility reports allow you to go after their sites, which amounts to the same thing. You go after their sites, and then it’s all done under the guise of what’s best for the community. I really do care about this, because it’s my life, and I do need to get this stopped. Joining the dark side is not an option for me.

Case in point. I will use my site but I think there are a few others on their that should not be there.

The so called credibility review says:

Eleanor White rating:  BOGUS  (trivializes the crime)
November 21, 2008

[quote]WEB SITE:  http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Techniques.html

SITE TITLE:  Gang Stalking World

EW: This well-executed web site rates a BOGUS because it
misleads the visitor from the public into believing that
targets of organized stalking and electronic harassment are worrying about things that are trivial and not serious, and in fact common occurrences of every day life.[/quote]

The site misleads the visitors in what capacity? This is not the front page of the site, which is what people see.
Second of all, the page is in alphabetical order, because some of us who do research like it that way.

If this is your reason for calling a site bogus, how much good are these reviews actually doing for this community? Honestly, they are targeting some good sites, that could help people for minor things, which I believed was going to be the case all along.

[quote]Next notice the very first, most prominent technique this site describes.  The first item is presumably the one that causes targets of organized stalking the most grief. It is listed as “Air Stalking.”  In other words, the site cries out against aircraft stalking targets on the ground!

That concern literally shouts “paranoia” to the world.[/quote]

No really Eleanor to the educated public who can think for themselves, this shouts alphabetical order, and I wont be changing this for anyone.

Oh yeah, the other thing about these so called credibitlity reviews when you and Kelly first cooked them up was that you were going to be reviewing specific pages or sections to say what could be impoved, or why it was or was not good, instead you have used the oppertunity to use the reviews to discredit websites in whole.

Youre reviews are not saying, I don’t like websitex.com because of this page or this section, you are targeting the whole website, by picking one little section.

Eg. You primarily are picking on the techniques page for Gang Stalking World, and a picture or something, but using this to declear the whole site as bogus, notice the word you choose to use? Not Eleanor disapproves, but bogus, making people think the site has no credibility, which is not the case. It’s just like if I did this, but used the word fraud, to describe some of your websites.

If you really were interested in anything other than a witch hunt, you would have also used better words, and reviewed the pages and listed the pages specifically and not attacked the full site.

You on your website

I think the picture of the militia guy that you have on your site, just does not work for me, for various reasons. I also think the section about Terri Schindler, on your site would give people the wrong message. I know it gave me the wrong message when I first started looking for stuff that could help.

You also have things about people’s cats being tortured to death. Though I respect this, as part of the targeted individual community, are you kidding me, do you think a new site visitor might not think we are a little Lonnie for this?

I know when I first saw your site, no offense, but I was really put off, from your site and a couple of others, and stayed away from it for some time. I think your site has some good information, but you talk about giving the wrong impression. I am going to leave it at that, because I am not hear to bash your site.

If I like a site, I like to it and use that. I try to avoid bashing things, unless I think it will be detrimental to real targets, and then I take a stand.

I think if you have sites that you like, then create a website of good and approved information that you and yours can use. That’s what I do, there are so many YouTube videos that I know are not good, but I don’t attack those, the same way I don’t for the most part out agents. I just try to point people to good sites or material I think will help them.

[quote]My only purpose is to assist targets in selecting the best materials for the fight to expose and stop organized stalking.

E W

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With all due respect Eleanor, I do not feel that you are doing this with your credibility reviews, and i definitely don’t feel that you are doing this with your members, telling people which terms they can use. It’s not cool, and it’s not right.

People should be able to use what they are comfortable with. This is very quickly becoming use the sites we say and the terms we say or be a pariah, and isn’t the point that people are already segregated in one way, why should their blogs, websites, and materials be also treated the same way?

I don’t think these are good, and when your members get called on this stuff, they accuse others of causing divisions in the community, but realistically, it’s these reviews and your members telling people which terms to use that are causing some of the problems.

I do appreciate you dropping by, at this moment there is nothing else that I feel a need to add to this conversation, if there is anything else that you would like to add, I will be happy to have you post it.

So that those interested in this discussion can read it, I will post it on the blogs.

gangstalking

*Free advertising to none credible sites removed.*

One of those days

I was up early and I realise it’s going to be one of those days, trying to figure out what to do? How to help? What can be done for Targets of Gang Stalking?
I have so many things to blog about. Eg. Our algorithm is being suppressed, meaning that when you look up Gang Stalking  or Targeted Individuals in the google search engine or at least when I do, you don’t get very diminished results. The same trend just started happening for the terms Targeted Individuals and Targeted Individual, both terms were previously almost 2 million hits.

Also I read this amazing report by the ACLU, and I want to write more information about that. If you get the chance, read this report, it’s a fascinating read for anyone who cares about what is happening with surveillance and information sharing in their country. http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/surveillance_report.pdf

Outreach and other communities we should be trying to connect with. I think it’s great that people make their existing online communities aware of what is happening, use the available materials and post it if you don’t know how to have discussions about Gang Stalking.

What to do for the missing and incarcerated targets? Little things like that. Even though we now know that we are not alone, too often, we still have our own struggles to go through.

I had been following a thread over at the Stormfront community, because Gang Stalking affects everyone, black, white, Asian, Indian, etc. Male, female, transgender, etc. Every social economic background you can think of. Anyways, a member of that community had reported some time last year that his friend was a target of Gang Stalking, he believed his friend, which is commendable, but on the most recent follow up thread, he posted to say that his friend had been institutionalised.

It’s really sad, because it does not matter what your view points are, (well it does to an extent), but the truth is every voice silenced, every soul that they muzzle in regards to this, brings the state one step closer to imprisoning us all. For those not familiar with the Stormfront community, it’s a white nationalist community. (So if you are easily offended, don’t go there.)

The latest thread was brought up by a person who thought that Masons were behind the whole thing. There is still a lot of that going around, like taking the blame from the government and trying to put in on one group, like Masons, Street Gangs, KKK or scientologist, etc. They are all taking part, so you can’t just blame one sector of society, it’s all of society. (By this I don’t mean that everyone is involved, I just mean that all sectors of society take part, there is a difference.)

Anyways it’s an interesting thread, and it tells me once again that just about every sector of society is in some way being exposed to what is happening. It tells me that some targets are very aware and some are not. It also tells me that targets are still being picked off one by one so to speak, and using the mental health rap is probably working really well. Targets need to have a plan of action.

http://stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=547115

The poster who was known as theninthtrust, who was very active on YouTube, is still missing or has not been online for the last seven months. http://uk.youtube.com/theninthtrust

I have not had any postings from apocalypto wanderings since June, He was a retired gentleman, with a tough attitude, use to work for the government. Maybe he is just taking a break from it, sometimes targets need to do that. http://apocalypto-wanderings.blogspot.com
Somethings that we are doing are working really well, keep having the discussions, keep making people aware, keep using the materials.

Things that we need. What we need are people who are familiar with mental health laws, and how the informant system works. These are two ways targets are either eliminated, (meaning trapped in the system or turned into part of the system.)

Emotionally we have been shown to be fairly good at providing information and emotional support for one another, so let’s continue of this front.

Freedom of information. If an investigation is ongoing normally you might not get these files, or if the information is in a secret database, or if they have outsourced the surveillance, these are ways that they get around giving out targets this information. Jesus Medoza has had some luck with his, JBH had to try three times before getting anything, the first two times they told him they had nothing on him. Donald Friedman, he kinda went to extreme lengths to get his files, but it worked.
http://www.freedomfchs.com/usarmyrptonmicrowavefx.pdf

These are some of the things that I want to blog about, but it’s already been a long morning, and
I just want to see what we are doing well as a community and what we need to improve upon.

Leader vs Leaderless resistance

So you want to start a resistance movement, protest movement etc. How does it get done? How did it get done in the past? How can it be done in this time period?

It’s stuff many people are thinking about. In the past we had movements that were lead by leaders, leaders that people could rally around and who people loved, or at least respected. Programs such as Cointelpro made it very easy to wipe out those leaders and to remove them.

Guidelines came along on how to resist Cointelpro Infiltrations because of this.

http://security.resist.ca/personal/culture.shtml
http://security.resist.ca/personal/investigations.shtml

In the past when you had a leader, if the leader was arrested, killed, imprisoned, etc then often the movement just died, or it had to wait till a new leader sprung up.

“Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
smite Matt 26:31, Mark 14:27
 
In the movement of Christianity new leaders did arise, many were also killed, persecuted, until the state stepped in and took over the movement, then everyone else was persecuted but for very different reasons. The history is really interesting.

Then we have other movements and leaders. Kennedy tried to remove the federal reserve, apparently a bit of a no, no thing to do, and it did not work out well for him.

Martin Luther King and others like him tried to free, or raise up their people from oppression. When leaders like him died out, others did rise, but before they could become full bloom, programs like Cointelpro were there to make sure that no more messiahs that could unite the masses would rise. That is what was done then and now.

So people moved towards leaderless resistances, or a vertical resistance structure. Power is not concentrated in anyone spot. So if they wipe out one sector, another sector still remains. This by the way is similar to the structure that our oppressors use. Eg. Each area controls it’s population, and there are people in that sector who rule it and govern it the way they see fit. I have blogged about this before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaderless_resistance

I have been reading up about this, this is what wikepedia has to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaderless_resistance

[quote]
General characteristics
A typical covert cell operates as anything from a lone individual to a small group of members. The basic characteristic of the structure is that there is no explicit communication between cells which are otherwise acting toward the same goals. Members of one cell usually have little or no specific information on who else is agitating on behalf of their cause.

Leaderless movements may have symbolic figureheads. It can be a public figure or an inspirational author, who picks generic targets and objectives, but does not actually manage or execute plans. Media, in this case, often create a positive feedback loop: the publishing of declarations of a movement’s role model instills motivation, ideas and assumed sympathy in the minds of potential agitators who lend further authority to the figurehead.[citation needed] While this may be loosely viewed as a vertical command structure, it is notably unidirectional: a titular leader makes pronouncements and activists may respond but there is no established contact between the two levels of organization.

As a result, leaderless resistance cells are largely insusceptible to informants and traitors. As there is neither a center that may be destroyed, nor links between the cells that may be infiltrated, it is more difficult for established authorities to arrest the development of a leaderless resistance movement than more conventional hierarchies.

Given its asymmetrical character and the fact that it is often strategically adopted in the face of an obvious institutional power imbalance, leaderless resistance has much in common with guerrilla warfare. The latter strategy, however, usually retains some form of organized, bidirectional leadership and is often more broad-based than the individualized actions of leaderless cells. In some cases, a largely leaderless movement may evolve into a coherent insurgency or guerrilla movement, as successfully occurred with the Yugoslav partisans of World War II. In the same conflict, the British leadership had extensive plans for the use of such resistance in the event of a German invasion.[2]

While the concept of leaderless resistance is often based on resistance by violent means, it is not limited to them. The same structure can be used by non-violent groups authoring, printing and distributing samizdat literature, using the Internet to create self-propagating boycotts against political opponents, maintaining an alternative electronic currency outside of the reach of the taxing governments and transaction-logging banks.
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I think this is the best structure for any modern movement based on the obstacles that are out there. Doesn’t mean you can not share what is working and what is not working, but it helps to limit your liabilities. It also helps to foster potential leaders, and it makes it harder to get rid of them all at once. Think season seven BTVS “potentials”. Trying to wake up all the leaders at once instead of waiting for one to fall and the other to rise.

I think this is similar to the resistance structure used in the movie V and V the final Battle. Yes I do realise that the movie was about fighting lizard like aliens, but the underlying meaning of the movie was really resisting fascist that had come and were basically doing what the Nazis did.

[quote] Where there are oppressors, there will be those with the courage to resist. That simple truth is the underlying premise of V: The Miniseries, Kenneth Johnson’s allegory to World War II and fascism. [/quote]
We hope there will be those with the courage to resist, it’s not a guarantee, and if enough of those do not wake up, and rise up in time, well the world will still go on as it is.

For any resistance, revolution to take place, people have to realise there is a problem. I didn’t. I thought I lived in one of the best countries in the world, my government was top notch, and those evil crimes of the state were committed by other countries not my own.

Even when I first started to realise that this was state sponsored, I still thought that there would be good politicians who would fix this. I do now see that there are no easy answers, politicians are just people, many of them with average amounts of courage and with more to lose then many other average people. They won’t fix this and the one who tries to, will meet our fate or worst. They can lend an ear, and they can give encouragement, but it’s the people who have the power. The crazy part of this always has been that it’s the people with the power, yet you are giving it up to corporations, and the elite.
If tomorrow we stopped banking with those we bank with, using their Internet, cellphones, cable, phone services, etc, how far would they get? How far would they be? They would be bankrupt and a little more willing to listen to the people. We do have the power, I have never doubted this, but will we ever utilise it?

For me I really do believe that awareness and education is key. If you don’t know something is wrong, how can you resist or rebel against it. If you are happy with what you think is freedom, then how can you fight oppression?

The worst slavery is to think that you are free. We are not free, but how many people really know this? I didn’t.

Once you make people aware, you can not force them to believe you. You can try, but you can’t. You can only wait patiently and hope that they see what you see, feel what you feel.

Eg. [quote]Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, or when go to church or when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. (long pause, sighs) Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.[/quote]

[quote]Morpheus: I’m trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You’re the one that has to walk through it. [/quote]

For about 10 years I thought this movie was just garbage. I really didn’t understand it, and more over felt that the world could never be like this. So I never worried about it, or thought about it. My education into this system was so complete, and I would have argued with anyone who tried to tell me differently. The world however is controlled and we are not free the way we are taught to think that we are.

[quote]There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission.
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[quote]But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot. People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. Strength through unity, unity through faith! I am V. At last you know the truth.[/quote]

Even when I first saw this movie, I didn’t at first realise that this is what is happening within our countries. Again my mind was so firmly ingrained in this freedom concept that I was taught, that I took it for granted that this had any relevance to what I was experience, even though I was aware of Gang Stalking at the time.

Once people are aware, and they believe then the question is what are they going to do about it? Many see truth, trip over it, get up dust themselves off and carry on. The world has always been like this why should it change now? Yes and some do have this mentality and really are happy with the way things are, and that’s fine for them. However if you are not happy with how things are, then this might be a chance to help make others aware.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

Even if that is your only revolution, at least it’s something.

The reasons revolutions die. Resources, resistance, and renewal.

Resources get tapped out, arrests, lawyers, etc. Resistance is not renewed because there is no one there to keep up the fight and movements are not renewed. How can they be when most of a population is snitching for the state? Also the knowledge is not passed on.

I believe the main problem is the knowledge and the know how not being passed on. Much of it get’s  repressed by the state. I have said it before, but every time I go back to old articles in my blogs, many of the links are no longer valid, youtube videos have been removed, etc. It’s like pointing out to the state what bit’s of knowledge got left on the net and what to further repress. Articles go missing, websites go offline, and then all the information has to be gathered again. I think if more effort went into preserving information then we would all be a lot better off.

Tim Fields is a great example. He spent 10 years of his life documenting the bullying phenomenon, just before he could look into collusion he died. The site is no longer available, but someone had the good presence of mind to back up his research.

http://www.bullyeq.com/bol/
http://www.successunlimited.co.uk/

If not for this, then the information would have been lost. Now he had a really good and popular forum and was making great headway, he is a leader people would have followed and rallied around, but now that he is gone, I can’t think of anyone who picked up his research into collusion.

http://www.bullyeq.com/bol/action/obstruct.htm

All the links pointing to his old site are gone and the domain name shows unavailable for the old site. I don’t think anyone picked up the research, but he helped make bullying a household name and he is owed a great deal of gratitude by me and others. His site and a few others helped maintain me before I ever learnt the term gang stalked. Remember I first thought this was harassment, then bullying, then mobbing, then gang stalking. The pieces came together one piece at a time. His story is really amazing, and people have risen up who do maintain bulling sites, but I am not aware of anyone looking into the interconnected corruption aspect of bullying. It is however there for the taking.

I see this as a key problem for many movements that rally around just one person. It has an advantage, because everyone moves as one united front, and it’s easy to give commands and have instructions followed, but on the other hand it’s vulnerable in ways other structures are not.

Then if you do resist, remember some of the fun things that you are going to be up against.

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2007/08/18/so-you-want-a-revolution/

It’s just fun things to think about. Many of us did not choose this path consciously, but I think subconsciously maybe I did choose this. So with that in mind, I will continue to do what I can, I know people want direction about what to do and how to do it. I believe that change can happen, but we each have to be willing to play a role. We want leaders, but right now those leaders are the ones with the choker of oppression around our necks. So we cry out for better leaders, but in the end does it really change?
Also what are you really willing, able to sacrifice for this change to happen?

Settling In

I got a lot of sleep over the last several days, and since I now realise they are trying to take my sites offline, I have been working at back up’s for the website.

I do have an ongoing situation with one website, where they have hijacked the domain name, stolen it and taken it offline that way, but otherwise I feel pretty settled. Guess I must be doing something right. I was starting to feel that my efforts were not effective enough, but they have restored my faith.

For the first time in about two years I didn’t wake up going oh my gosh, how can the world be like this, or something similar to that effect. I just seem to be in a place of acceptance.

I think some of this garbage is finally settling in. I still would like to move forward with the campaign of making people aware. We are in contact with Civilian Spies all the time. Some who know exactly what’s going on, and others who might benefit from knowing more.

The other thing I noticed is that there is still a lot of confusion online about what is really behind Gang Stalking. The thing that always strikes me as odd is that several sites that were going with the Vigilante theory knew and had know about covert war and Cointelpro before the David Lawson book, but after 9/11 the year the book was written, that information on at least one of those sites disappeared, and we were all sucked into the void of Vigilante groups doing this.

I guess the truth really is out there, but only if you really want to find it. You really do have to be in a place of readiness before you can find it. If you are not, you will never discover it. It brings me back to the movie the Matrix, Morpheus can show Neo the door, but he can’t make him go in, it’s a choice we all have to make.

The information about Gang Stalking, Targeted Individuals, The Hidden Evil, whatever you want to call it, it’s all out there, but I can’t make people choose to believe it. They have to come to the realisation that their cities have been taken over by Citizen Informants and those numbers far out weight what is left of none Citizen Informants. They have to come to the realisation that it’s the government doing this. That this is leading up to the one world government scenario.

Some people can be helped with information, such as what is found on Mark. M. Rich’s site. Others by reading about Stasi, Cointelpro, or by watching videos such as Naomi Wolf talking about the end of America in 10 steps. Others by talking to other Targeted Individuals. Others will never try to see the truth, or want to see the truth, because it is that bad.

For me there are very few things as bad as not knowing the truth. I would rather have the truth than lies. Yet it’s still taken about 2 full years for this to sink in. I am finally sleeping, maybe just cause acceptance has come. This is what it is, and hopefully productive and creative solutions as to how to deal with it from here.

I feel fairly calm. I have used the last few days just to relax. Back up the sites a little bit. Meditate a little, not a lot. Sleep and just realise this again has been like this for sometime, and it may continue, cause the human will is what let’s it go on, but the human will is what can change that as well.

I also realise that some people really do like and prefer these time periods. There were still people after the fall of the Berlin wall crying for the good old days. People who still have parties celebrating how things were back in the good old Stasi days. In Nazi Germany, much like now, many people felt a sense of togetherness. It was for some, one of the best times in history.

For people like me and mine, we hate these times, but we tend to always be ever present in these times. Trying to warn others, trying to get them to see things our way, and sometimes we can, but most times if you are not experiencing what we are, it can be hard to understand. For many things are great. They are helping the country to catch crazy people, terrorists, pedophiles, rapists, etc. They feel connected for the first time in their lives. They use the one handed handed Stasi sign language when a target is near by, so they can at times maybe even forget what they have signed on for, or more often is the case, continue to feel proud of what they are a part of.

Thus is human nature and it’s ever repetitive cycle. I also think that the more decadent a society becomes, the more it can leave itself open for things like this. This kind of occupation.

On a positive note. We have more sites and blogs than we did two years ago when I first came online. I don’t even think we had a YouTube video then. Maybe we did. The term has and is slowly making it’s way into several lexicons. There is more awareness, but not enough. Even if there is what do people do? There is an individual will and a collective will, the two might not match up, but you have to pray that they do, and hope that maybe the human will does want freedom, and will not stand for the future oppression that we are in for.

Again I would have thought that our countries would refuse to go and attack other countries without reason, and that the people of our countries would not stand for it, but most of us did, is subtle ways. It’s horrifying, but it’s all happening over again, and not much is getting done any differently. We have had the biggest failure of our lives and that is failing to learn from history. The parallels are all there, but most fail to see it.

On another note, I have been giving some thought to the DT Stokton article. Now I don’t know if he is a perp posting half truths, or a real target with some accurate information some in accurate information, but I thought I would post a link to his information again. http://searchwarp.com/swa310640.htm
The article is fascinating, but much of what is there, is not documented or substantiated in the usual ways. So therefore it’s an interesting read, but hard to substantiate in any factual way, except for the fact that some of what he says, I have been able to observe on my own. Other things I would like to research, but have no way of doing so. Has anyone ever heard of a burst bug?

It’s a road travelled, with a path further on to go. We each brave this journey the best way we know how. We are hoping for someone to lead us into the light, to be our saviour, but at times like this, you really are the best saviour you are going to get. When I first came online, I was so looking for one of the many other established groups, or sites to get this out into the light. I then realised that most had no intention of doing so, it was one step forward 2 steps back. At that stage I had to make some tough choices, about what could be done and could not be done. I started a website, took the time off to do the research and came to my own conclusion, and have worked very hard over the last two years to bring this into the light as much as possible.

I see others in their own ways doing the same, and I applaud them. If each TI did the same, we would be a lot further off in the game. For those who can do, continue to do what you can. For those that don’t feel like you can, know that you won’t until you believe that you can, and even then it will feel like a lot at first, but the more you do, the better it get’s. Being passive is just as energy draining as being active. Do something simply because it feels better than doing nothing.

Your government knows.

This is a two part post. The first part is to basically reiterate what has been said in the past, but to hopefully drive these points home a lot deeper.

Your government knows. Don’t believe, not a problem. For those who will believe no evidence is necessary, and for those who will not believe, no evidence will be enough.

However life is not that black and white all the time. It’s still nice to have some proof of what’s happening. If you have never encountered the concept or the idea that governments of the world are slowly coming together to create unions that will eventually merge into one big world government, then I would also want some proof.

Over the life of this blog there have been dozens of amazing links, in this post I am again going to point to a couple that I think are pretty neat and well laid out.

http://www.thehiddenevil.com/

On the site, Mark goes into really in-depth detail about how the elite have come to rule, and who they are. Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, etc. He talks about some of the families, and the process that has gotten us here.

He also talks about future plans to to move towards the one world government, (communistic style one world government) and other important topics. The site is a well worthwhile read.

The next site.

http://policestateplanning.com/

Not a site that I am that familiar with, but it also explains the move to try to turn the world into one big police state. For people that are into the more everyday easy to understand x y z, this site might be a decent place to start.

The next site

http://nord.twu.net/acl/agenda21.html
http://nord.twu.net/acl/books.html

Niki Raapana, she has done some really nice research on agenda 21 and also talks about the plans that are underway to turn the world into a one world government. It’s a nicely detailed site, and the book is available on her site as well.
But what does this have to do with Gang Stalking and our current situation?

It’s to help put it into perspective. Many are still operating on the delusional belief that the government is going to come to your rescue. Don’t get me wrong, I am sure that there are still some decent people in government. Every once in awhile they shine through.

The person who blew the whistle on the My Lai massacre was aided by one Congressman.

[quote]The carnage at My Lai might have gone unknown to history if not for another soldier, Ron Ridenhour, a former member of Charlie Company, who, independently of Glen, sent a letter detailing the events at My Lai to President Richard M. Nixon, the Pentagon, the State Department, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and numerous members of Congress.[23] The copies of this letter were sent in March 1969, a full year after the event. Most recipients of Ridenhour’s letter ignored it, with the notable exception of Congressman Morris Udall (D-Arizona). Ridenhour learned about the events at My Lai secondhand, by talking to members of Charlie Company while he was still enlisted[/quote]

Also let’s not forget Senator John De Dechamp
http://franklincase.org/ and his role in trying to expose and get justice for the children of this horror. Even though he did not do what he set out to do, he opened the eyes of those who wanted to see, to some of the things that government and people in high places were doing and are capable of doing to children with drug running, and linked pedophile rings.

Then there was also Cynthia Ann McKinney
http://archives.allthingscynthiamckinney.com/mckinney.house.gov/bio.htm

Not afraid to speak her mind, and she tried to get Cointelpro investigations re-opened, which would undoubtedly have shed a lot of light on our current situations, but lost her post, before this could happen. 

See I don’t think that they are all corrupt, but too many are, and when someone tries to do the right thing, often they are discredited, lose their post, like Senator Church did, when he finished investigating the first batch of Cointelpro. Often their investigations are stalled, ruined, or nothing comes of it, and the criminals are not punished. History has shown this time and again, and if you are still wondering why, or don’t get it, then I can’t make you get it.

Mark has a great article on his site called Your politicians can’t be trusted. http://thehiddenevil.com/article05.asp

Not everyone is crooked, but the government knows, and more importantly, the people with power know. If we ever were lucky enough to find one decent, brave, well meaning person, who championed this cause, they would likely meet the fate of their predecessors or worst. I am not saying this to discourage anyone, but just to get you into a more realistic frame of mind.
How can everyone or the majority of people be in on this? That is the part that makes me want to more often than not, bring up my food. Again 2 years ago when I just started to understand what was happening, what was going on, and the source or causes for my harassment over the last 7-8 years or whatever it was a real shock to my system.

If you have read my blog, you have journeyed with me. From realising that the police can not be trusted to solve this or help, there are still good police officers out there, but either they get the system, or are part of it, trying to figure it out like everyone else. I am not going to go over the attempt to file a police report again, it was a lesson I had to learn for myself, but learn I did. I am going to go over the shock and horror of finding out that friends, family, people that I thought I could trust, were a part of this. That this is how society is.

What does that mean? It means that over the last two years, every job that I have had, about yep every public place I have attended, place that I have moved to, people that I have worked with, etc have been a part of this thing, this entity, these Citizen Informants, as Mark calls them. I still call them Snitches. I probably always will, because my first awareness of what was happening, happened due to cluing into the one handing sign language and the fact that some people that I knew to be unethical were doing it. However that did not last long, because before I blogged about it, I also noted decent people being a part of the same thing, I noticed that the stores I went into, had the workers doing the same thing, people on the train, on the street, etc. I then did the research. Found out about the snitching system, East Germany, Red Squads, Cointelpro, etc. Most of it is on the Gang Stalking website. Hundreds of articles, websites, etc that I read, trying to understand this.

Bottom-line, it’s systemic. I have explained it before. This system goes back to Roman time, remember Judas? It also happens that the British Empire, was rife with the snitching system, just one more reason to get away and come to the new world, and the snitching infection came over as well.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/SnitchSystemBooklet.pdf

Since the beginning of the new world, snitching has been used. Red Squads have been later used to squash and oppress dissidence, again with the snitches being used. Also wives of cops were paid pin money for their info. Yeah keep it in the family.

Wave after wave of immigrants were exposed to these harassment Red Squads. Remember that once a snitch always a snitch and then you teach others the same, and the next generation. That is why you get such a wide range, and most likely why countries with large immigrant populations are seeing more of this. In part because of a) who get’s to come to the new world, and b) because you are more susceptible to the exploitation. http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Social/article.php?sid=152

We again had Cointelpro, where many were destroyed, even after the truth came out, the murders, assassinations, false imprisonments, destruction of lives, never changed, never stopped. Even when the truth comes out, the band marches on, in part I am sure because of who Cointelpro was aimed at, but also because it came from the top.

The war on drugs, then terrorism, then something else, has produced legions of snitches, and concerned citizens informants who think they are doing something useful. (You are practicing to be your own jailers, nothing else.)

I digress, how can this be happening in just about every country? How can there be citizen informants? Why would people do this? Why would they go along with this? How can so many be a part of this? Even though I know the answers, I still ask the questions over and over again.

If this is how the society is set up, then overtime, most people will be inducted into this system.
http://www.targetedindividuals.com/System.html

Some via illegal acts or actions, some due to being patriotic, some bullied, bribed, some told lies. Many again believe that they are taking part in something useful, decent, most have no idea that they are a part of their own future enslavement, and if they did, I don’t know how many would care. Also don’t forget, if you were a snitch in your homeland, and you come to another country, the snitching goes with you.

Then that leaves us, the thing that I find interesting about Mobbing, Bullying, Cointelpro, Gang Stalking, the Buzzsaw, etc is who get’s targeted.

http://targetedindividuals.com/Community/forumdisplay.php?fid=27

A lot of targets of these harassment’s have a lot of the same characteristics. Also a lot of us, seemed to not know about this cute system that is in place. For that matter, even when people become Citizen Informants, they don’t seem to realise the system that is in place, or what it really means, or how wide ranging it is. Most are not asking the vital questions. They are in their own little scoop, which is fine, but the bigger picture is not pretty. For those who do clue in, some turn to drugs, suicide, insanity, or just zone out, and party, cause it’s all corrupt anyways right? Easier to not fight back right, cause we can’t win, right? We still have to try, we might not win, but we have to try. It’s easy to zone out, I have had moments, cause I do realise how overwhelming this is, on top of life’s other garbage, but the end results are too important, we have to keep fighting, and trying to find a way.

It’s no coincidence that while our counterparts are being bulling, mobbed into suicide, job loss, poverty, etc to a lesser degree, we are seeing the more brutal form of this. Keep in mind many of us started with the lessor forms, and didn’t clue into the Gang Stalking, till years later.

This is how society deals with these types, this is how society will continue to deal with these types. It does not matter what field you are in, school you go to, eventually if you do not fall into line, you will be pushed out of line. There are very few people in our society independent enough, wealthy enough to make their own rules. When something or someone does come along, they are often gobbled up into this system. I like to think of what someone said about the Nazi’s and that they would kill off that 1 in 20.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread202159/pg1#pid2123735

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Another factor is the ‘one in twenty’ theory. Apparently, administrators of jails and POW camps, etc., *find* the one in twenty, and isolate them. The one in twenty is the one who initiates action; who motivates the remaining 19; who acts as natural leader. The one in twenty is smarter, more capable, more independently minded than the other 19. The other 19 can be restrained with minimum effort; they are sheep-like, relatively obedient; are ‘followers’. Get rid of the one in twenty, and your job of controlling the other 19 is easy. Perhaps repressive regimes are actively seeking the ‘ones in twenty’ within our midst. They might find them at protest rallies; in Internet forums; etc. They are the first to be picked off. Perhaps they’ve *already* been picked off, which might account for all us sheepies, just sitting here in confusion and dismay, waiting for our ‘leaders’ to come and show us what to do to save ourselves ?

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The crazy part of this for me, and will always be, that even though the rich and powerful run the system, they have no control without us. We are going to be the ones enslaving ourselves. It might be the rich and powerful running the show, but on ground level, it’s my fellow humans. You might be getting told, or asked to do this, but you are the ones doing it, and making active choices towards the fate of humanity.

I know it won’t happen, but can you imagine if everyone suddenly just stopped the bs? No more snitching, Citizen Informing, would the world really end? No, but you would miss your rumour mill, your access to be in touch and to know what is going on. I get that it’s important to know what is going on, but if the choice is to be part of the outer circle and a little bit free, not bound by this garbage, then that’s the choice for me.

It’s an easy choice for me, I am single, no dependents on this realm, a few debts, don’t care about fitting in that much, and I like freedom, and I am not willing to sacrifice freedom for security, a false sense of security at that. I also like my independence a great deal.

I know the choice is harder for others. Being a man or woman and having a family to think about I am sure is a harder state to be in. Having a home, and actually caring if you fit in, and wanting to be clued in, but it’s still a choice that we are making for the future, and it’s a choice that you are making for your families future. The world is corrupt, it’s easier in the short term to play along and go along if you can stomach it, but in the long run, what’s the price that is going to be paid.

Then there are those who like this, who really really like this, and will do anything to be a part of this, they don’t question it, they just go along with it, somewhere along the line this dazzled them, and it brought meaning, order, sense of power, belonging, they like society they way it is, they revel in the corruption of this system and would happily trade humanity, conscience, etc for a piece of this pie. More power to ya, and so they do progress.

I really believe there is no fate but what we make, even if it’s with our minds, thoughts and will, resist, fight, don’t go along with this. 

Remotely Insane.

I was on my usual weekend hunt for more information about how these situations are being created and I came across something really interesting. The case referenced below is about a police office who blew the whistle, only to have his workplace hire 1 psychologist and a psychiatrist, to basically without speaking to him, fully remotely declare that he was unstable, even suicidal, could be a danger to others. Also they were advised that if they could get him arrested and placed in a psychiatric facility to just do it.

Now can you imagine an assessment like that followed by a little high tech harassment? http://www.Hightechharassment.com

I find the scenario so interesting for so many reasons. The site says that this is the sort of thing that was done in China, Russia to dissidents and those considered to be enemies of the State. Ever notice that more and more research from various sources are starting to link to the fact that we are doing this like communist regimes have in the past? Does this concern anyone?
http://www.PsychologistEthics.net

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A Canadian Police Department and the Canadian College of Psychologists

Kenneth Westhues, Professor of Sociology at the University of Waterloo, studied a case of a police officer targeted for elimination after reporting corruption to provincial authorities. The Police Department had enlisted the services of both a psychologist and a psychiatrist in support of its aim to get rid of the whistleblower. The latter, however, withstood the campaign against him and successfully held onto his job. Subsequently, he sought sanctions against the psychologist and the psychiatrist, and asked Westhues to set down in writing his reflections on the actions against him. Here is Westhues’s account, with names and other identifying information removed.
 
You have asked that I give you my reflections on the actions of the Police Department against you from the mid-1990s until 2000. I write on the basis of the documentation you have provided to me in connection with my research on workplace mobbing, an uncommon but severe organizational pathology that can have unwarranted, devastating effects on the mobbing target’s career and life. I understand that the reason you have requested this letter is so that you might include it with your request to the Ontario Health Professions Appeal and Review Board, that it review the decision of the Complaints Committee of the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons, and the separate decision of the Complaints Committee of the Ontario College of Psychologists.
 
In the mid-1990s, you reported in good faith to the appropriate provincial authorities what you saw as corruption in the Police Department. The appropriate body investigated, and found your allegations to have merit. In the wake of this conflict, your Police Department engaged psychologist Dr. X and psychiatrist Dr. Y to give their opinions on your mental health. Without speaking with you, both Dr. X and Dr. Y signed their names to reports that strongly suggested you were mentally ill. Dr. X wrote in December 1998, that your “thinking appears delusional to the extreme,” and he wrote in his own hand, “I essentially agree,” on a police investigator’s memo summarizing his meeting with them. The memo included these assertions:
 
    • The issue is that the man’s thinking is disordered.
   • You need to find a way to get him to a psychiatric assessment by compulsion, because he’s probably not going to accept that he has a problem.
    • If you have enough information to arrest him and take him to a psychiatric facility – do it.
   • It is easier to contain an explosion than an implosion – you shouldn’t blame yourself if he commits suicide.
 
Dr. Y wrote in January, 1999, that it was “in the realm of possibility” that you had a “Paranoid Personality Disorder,” and that “a psychiatric assessment would be required to rule this out.”
 
Shortly after Dr. X’s and Dr. Y’s reports, neither of which was provided to you, you were suspended from your position and charged under the Police Services Act. This was in January of 1999. It took almost two years, until November of 2000, for you to clear your name and get free of the stress and stigma of administrative sanction. In the end, you were found guilty of no offense. You have continued as before, to fulfill capably and with honour your responsibilities as a police officer.
 
In your complaints to their respective colleges, you fault Dr. X and Dr. Y for failing to live up to the ethical codes of their professions. The Complaints Committee of the College of Psychologists dismissed almost all of your complaint; the Complaints Committee of the College of Physicians and Surgeons dismissed your complaint entirely.
 
The decision of the Complaints Committee of the College of Physicians and Surgeons contains obviously false statements about the most basic facts of the case:
 
    • The Committee says you were “later dismissed from the police force.” You were not and have never been dismissed. You were and remain an officer with an unblemished record.
   • The Committee accepted the word of Dr. Y that your Police Department required you to undergo an assessment by Dr. X, the psychologist. Further, according to the Committee, Dr. Y reported that Dr. X had concluded from his assessment that you posed a possible risk of harm to others, that you are the type of personality that could “go postal,” that your thinking was disordered, that you were at high risk for suicide, and that you should be examined by a psychiatrist.
 
In fact, your Police Department never required, and you did not at any time undergo, such an assessment. The decision of the Complaints Committee of the College of Psychology admits that  Dr. X made his comments about you without having assessed you.
 
An organization’s employment of mental-health practitioners to stigmatize, discredit, and harm a targeted worker is a common mobbing technique. The harm is exacerbated when the professional bodies to which the worker may appeal, fail to investigate thoroughly and to hold the practitioners responsible for their part in the mobbing process.
 
I would not presume to say what corrective action the Health Professions Appeal and Review Board should take. Public safety requires, however, that regulatory bodies not be allowed to gloss over any complicity of mental-health professionals in efforts by employers to discredit sane, responsible employees who have blown the whistle on administrative misconduct.
 
I hope that you and the Health Professions Appeal and Review Board may find these reflections on the actions against you helpful toward a fair and truthful resolution of your complaints. Best wishes.
 
Postscript. The body to which the police officer appealed, and to which he submitted Westhues’s letter, dismissed the appeal. One member of the hearing committee told the police officer at the hearing that when you stick your finger in a hornets’ nest, you can expect to get stung. [/quote]
Can you believe that workplaces are doing this crap?

http://www.harassment101.com/Article5.html

Think of what this could mean. You make a complaint, the company hires 2 people to evaluate you, they write up an assessment like the one above, you have no idea, then suddenly because you are so unstable and mentally ill and won’t go in for an assessment of your own free will  suddenly you have this problem, and for your own good they put you on some watch list.

If you do ever get into this situation and think that going in for an evaluation is a good thing, think again. There was an article or website that tells you the exact methods that will be used to railroad you.

See I know what we are up against is horrific, but if we can find anything in this madness to use, then it’s in our best interest to use it and find out if that is indeed what is happening. I think this is worth further examination. 

Could something like the above scenario also happen in communities where they want to get rid of someone. I am sure this could happen to activist, dissidents, anyone who goes up against a school board, etc. How easy is this to be used against someone in the exact method as described above. How would the target even know it? They really would not. How could they find out?

I think this is really exciting to find this information, because it could further explain just how the state is getting some people listed for being mentally ill/unstable remotely. There should be some kind of a paper trail, because someone is pulling the strings.