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News Briefs

There are a few things that I have been wanting to inform you of for some time. Since I have been busy of late taking care of some of those little life things that must be taken care of, I thought I would do brief updates on what’s happening.
Limiting my electronic communications.
My communications. The state has in some ways been trying to control my communications access. I also mentioned that the free ebook that was made available has not been distributed via downloads.com, whither this is the company, or something else it’s hard to say. However it’s close to a month past the distribution date.
My communications. They seem to be trying to control specific sites that I visit, and specific people that I am trying to get in touch with. Eg. You get bounced mail every-time while trying to get in touch with specific individuals, more importantly specific individuals who might be able to help the cause. Specific sites are showing up blank, but it seems to be a filter more than anything else.

So yeah my failed email communications have been up 80% lately in those specific cases.

I really wonder if the government or these security agencies do not have a backdoor to the internet. I know that they are on most sites, but based on so many different experiences, I wonder if they do not have access via some kind of internet back door? The military built the Internet, so who knows what’s possible, they more than anyone else would know the in’s and the outs of it, and why they made the communications engine available to the public.

I saw an article that said a small film director was removed from facebook for talking about Cuba and the new removal of some restrictions, or a law that was looking at it.

http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/15/filmmaker-accuses-facebook-of-censorship

Well they were posting about what was happening and I joined the blog conversations. After about 6 posts, my posting functions stopped working. I could no longer respond to the posts. This means either they have someone at the site who could prevent this, they did it from my computer, which they monitor, they login read email. I mentioned my stolen Lulu.com account. It was stolen shortly after I had to get the password set to an email account.

What I remember specifically is when I first started blogging, they would remove my posting from sites like webhosting talk, some popular computer help sites, and a few others. In some cases it was like this ghost admin. You never saw a name or anything, but the posts would be removed, and the account banned. This was when I was just realising what was happening, and they were trying to do everything in their power to make sure that I did not talk about it. They seem to be taking the same steps again. They really do seem stupid. Like I said, stupid is hard to handle.
So after they blocked me from posting in this thread. I emailed this person, fully expecting the email to come back as undelivered, yep it did, what a surprise. It said DNS failure for the site, and when I clicked on the link to the site, it showed a fully blank page. Well I knew the site was not down, I have had this happen before with other sites, like Greg Szymanski’s site. At that stage even the google cache which was working 10 hours previously would show that the site was down, unless you used a different browser of course.

So these are some of the things they get up to, and are trying again. If you could just have them all go and lemming over population themselves, the world would be a better place.

 

2 Teens pushed in front of subway car

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090214.SUBWAY14/TPStory/National

I read this story online and I thought I wonder if he was a target? The story is of a Toronto man, who pushed two teens in front of a subway car. I just thought, what are the chances it was Gang Stalking? I mean it might not be Gang Stalking, but when I hear stories like this, it’s the first question that I ask, they pull stuff like annoying targets to the brink and then when something happens to them, they cry foul.

The story says that the man did not know the teens, but just out of the blue pushed two of them into the path of the train. Yeah I remember how many targets do not know their assailants, when they go off on them as well. The Montral shooting was a prime example of this.

If these two teens were pushed by a disturbed person out of the blue, then I am sorry for what happened to them. If they were a part of driving someone to the brink where they would forget their humanity enough to push someone, then these teens might want to think about their actions and the overall bigger picture.

At this stage Informants who bait people so that they will act out and get put in mental wards, are no better than that Nazi’s who baited the Jews, till they lashed out and got arrested. People who do those things are the same vermin as the Nazis, or the KKK who use to annoy blacks, till they lashed out. Provoking someone till they lash out, or look crazy is not good.

The other thing is if this man was a target and if he did not find out about Gang Stalking in time, then his frustration level would have been 10 times higher. Being messed with in every aspect of your life and not knowing why is horrible. At least when you know what’s going on you have a fighting chance.

I really want to find out more details of this story, maybe someone online who reads this and knows more details could fill them in.

Toronto and cities like it are a hot bed of Informants. The city is current considered Stasi central based on some of the many reports that I have had in from Targets.
Anyways this story is worth keeping and eye on. These vermin could drive a saint to lashing out. That’s why we have to resist and rise above it as best as we can.

Again no one ever wants to hear about anyone getting pushed in front of subway cars, but now instead of judging this man as crazy, I know all too often there might be more to the story.

[quote]The suspect was known to police, Toronto Police Constable Tony Vella said.
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This quote right here, suggests that he has had contact with them before. Could it be that like many targets he called to get help for his Gang Stalking? I have to ask the questions, why was he previously know to them?

The sad part is, if he was a target, f****** are now patting themselves on the back, saying good job, this is why we need a city full of informants. Never questioning their actions, or how they lead to the end results. Causing the situation and then coming in looking like hero’s. I am again not saying that’s what happened here, cause I don’t know the details of this situation, but I do know the details of other situations, and it’s what these people do.

 

Mind Readers
Ok this is going to sound like something out of the X-files, but if I don’t mention it, then I would not be doing you any favours.

Along with the mind mapping, or mind reading technology that I have blogged about, stuff that has been verified, like science looking at your dreams, and reading your thoughts, all technology they are working on, they are also using mind readers.

I know it sounds strange, but there are people who do have these abilities. I can only tell you that it’s the truth, if you choose not to believe it at this moment, I don’t blame you.

At at least two previous, I suspect three previous jobs, they have used these individuals for monitoring. It’s creepy and if you think about it, no accident. I am not suggesting that people who have this ability are creepy, no far from it, it’s just like any other talent.

What I am saying is that the government using this on targets, or workers is creepy, and that the majority have no idea.

The other thing was some Informants filed a complaint about being harassed by flyers they had been handed. These people deserve their fates, I don’t feel sympathy for them. I do feel sorry for the targets that have to be surrounded by them. Anyways, they used not one, but two mind readers within a 15 minute span to surround the target and find out their intentions.

A lot of these things, I am going to be able to give you bear bones information about, or not be able to tell you the sources and how I found out.

Mark on his site, might I hope update about his mind mappiing experience, but this is outside of that.

The point is, just know that these individuals exist in society. It’s not a bad thing unless they use their talent to violate others. Like reading their minds and sharing those thoughts with third parties, or using knowledge gained to mess someone over.

The part that’s creepy is that business, and governments are using them. That’s creepy. I mean police departments use psychics. When a certain U.S. hostage crisis happened, they used remote viewers to help locate the target, so it’s not that bad a thing, but then there is the darker side and you have to watch out for that.

 

What else. Their is always so much that I want to blog about, there have been a billion news stories that I wanted to share. Eg. Most of Jan and the first week plus of February, I am sure they were trying to either eliminate me, or just torture me to the stage where they thought that I would turn and join them. Which part of this do you not understand. I despise you. To see your downfall, would brighten my day. I will never forget what you have done to me and my life over the last two years especially, and what you have done to other targets, especially the one’s that you have turned against their Will’s who describe it as being whored out by the state. You disgust me, and it’s like watching a field full of the living mindless dead, what do you imagine is the least bit remotely appealing about also becoming a mindless zombie? You are f******* stupid, and I pray diligently, that this corrupt system that enslaves the masses will meet it’s due course.

Does this make me crazy or violent, no, it just means that I tell it like it is. The same way Jesus did, or anyone else like that, and I realise that I will probably go over just as well with the state, but you know what I don’t care, someone has to tell the truth. Our media that we trusted isn’t. Those agencies that we trusted are not helping us, and then you are pulling s*** like blocking people’s communications, like they do in China or something, but then you get to come off looking all clean, and none guilty and it’s hypocritical.

Anyways, thanks for Jan and the first week plus of Feb, you really remind me of why we must keep fighting and do what we can to resist this system of oppression.

February 16, 2009 Posted by | Awareness, Brain reading device, brown coats, Censorship, Children, Citizen Informants, Civilian Spies, Controlled society, domestic spying, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking | , , , , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments

Should Gang Stalking be seen as a disease?

I have been talking to several people over the last few days. One guy wrote in to tell me that he is treating his Gang Stalking as a chronic illness. I was laughing because in many ways I have been treating this like a cancer that has the ability to become malignant. Some of our fellow Targeted Individuals have died this way. Others have reported for brief periods of time that their Gang Stalking had gone into remission, only to come back again, and many of us deal with the daily symptoms of Gang Stalking, including the electronic harassment which can cause burns, rashes, blisters, etc. Some of us can not work due to our Gang Stalking, be it psychological trauma, or just the system leaving us repeatedly jobless. Many of us have lived below the poverty line due to this ailment, and the inability to get help.

Thinking a bit more about Gang Stalking, I thought I would put together a list of reasons why it should be classified as a disease. Let me know what you think.

Multi-Generational aspect

Gang Stalking like many other diseases can be multigenerational and might run in some families. That’s right several targets have reported that this happened to not only them, but to other members of their family. I can say that this aspect is correct from what I have seen. That means if you are afficted this way, they might someday affict your children this way. Also if you are targeted this way and do some research you might find others in your family that are being afficted this way and who are too scared to talk about it. It’s a very eye opening aspect of Gang Stalking. Remember this is not as recent as we think. The only reason many of us even realise how widespread it is, is because of the Internet. If we were not all connecting on the Internet, many of us would still be dealing with this quietly, and thinking it was just us. I know I would be, and I also would not have caught on that others close to me might be going through the same thing, even when hearing about their Gaslighting.

Parasitic in nature.

We know that once a target get’s Gang Stalking, parasitic elements will infect and seek to destroy every aspect of a targets life. That’s right, these parasitic elements will infect the persons job, community, social circle and they will continue to spread until the target is left isolated. Once this happens it leaves the target open for other parasitic infects, or happening such as electronic harassment. The goal of these parasitic elements is to drive the target to suicide. Often these parasitic elements leave the target exhausted, drained, lethargic they literally do everything they can to destroy the target. Sleep disturbance, noise disturbance, predatory mobbing in public, Gaslighting, run of deliberate bad luck, such as the car repeatedly breaking down, etc.

How is Gang Stalking Acquired?

Many targets who acquire Gang stalking do not know where they first picked up the parasitic infection. Many try to trace back to where they think they picked up there Gang Stalking, only to realise that they might have actually picked up the Gang Stalking years earlier without realising it. Eg. I thought I might have picked up Gang Stalking at a job I worked at several years ago, now I realised my Gang Stalking might have been picked up back in my outspoken College days, but I can’t be sure. I just know that it goes back at least a decade if not longer.

Why are we now hearing about so many cases of Gang Stalking. Often a person can be Infected by the Gang Stalking Parasites for years before they even become aware that there is a problem. Also there is not a great deal of awareness, so many do not know the symptoms to look out for. Many suffer for years in silence fearing that it’s just them, fearing that no one will believe them.

Who can get Afflicted with Gang Stalking?

Gang Stalking can affect anyone in society. We are still seeing a great deal of Gang Stalking ailment amongst single (woman), minorities, activists, dissidents, whistle-blowers, gay/lesbian, outspoken, etc.  The parasitic elements seem to like go after the outspoken, non compliant, loner or single individuals. However anyone can get Gang Stalking.

Symptoms

After Gang Stalking is acquired the symptoms might show up right away, but the overt symptoms might not show up for months or even years. Also because many people who acquire Gang Stalking are not aware of the signs and symptoms of this possibly malignant ailment, they might not realise what they have till they get full blown Gang Stalking.

Fatality.

It is estimated by some that the percentage of Gang Stalking fatalities every year world wide is anywhere from 2-7%. However because many afflicted with Gang Stalking do not know it or realise it, till it’s too late, the percentages are likely to be much higher. Just like in the former East Germany, a country that saw a similar affliction, the suicide rates were exponentially higher during that period.

Misdiagnosed

Many afflicted with Gang Stalking will also be wrongly misdiagnosed as mentally ill and falsely institutionalized.

Violent reactions.

Due to years of suffering in silence with Gang Stalking, some sufferers will lash out violently, after continually being provoked the Gang Stalking Parasites. The same is true for false imprisonments.

Job loss and moving.

Due to the nature of the Gang Stalking infection. Many afflicted will find themselves unable to work, be it due to psychological trauma, or just job loss after job loss. Those afflicted often wish to work, but are often not able to find or keep jobs.

The same is true for having to move from community to community.

Shunning.

Those afflicted with Gang Stalking through no fault of their own will still often find that they are shunned by their friends, family, neighbours, co-workers. There is often no help for those afflicted and very little awareness.

Homelessness

Many afflicted with Gang Stalking, at some point find themselves living below the poverty line, or even becoming homeless. The Gang Stalking ailment takes a lot from former fully functioning individuals.

Symptoms

Many do not realise the symptoms they have, and will suffer for years. Many complain for year about being followed around in public by strangers, harassment by strangers, extreme run of bad luck, or unexplained incidents, others complain of continued workplace mobbing, even after changing jobs. Other of being sensitised to everyday stimuli’s such as pens clicking, loud coughing, keys jingling, loud noises, colors, patterns, etc. Other symptoms include PTSD, depression, paranoia, stress, lethargy. Electronic symptoms include, burns, rashes, itching, blisters, eye damages, etc.

Is there hope or a cure?

At this stage there is no cure in sight, but there is hope. We have found that after years of dealing with Gang Stalking the best hope is exposure and awareness. If we can reach those afflicted in the early stage of this possibly lethal aliment, we might have fewer fatalities, false institutionalization’s,

Has this Ailment ever shown up before?

During the East German Stasi, and American Cointelpro many suffered from a similar ailment with equal lethality.

At this stage many afflicted with Gang Stalking find that it is a life long illness, which has the potential to be fatal. The best treatment that those afflicted with Gang Stalking have currently is exposure and awareness. Many in society are afraid of getting the Gang Stalking ailment, and many others in society are parts of the parasitic elements that are helping to cause the Gang Stalking infection.

Many who suspect that they have Gang Stalking, are afraid to speak up or speak out. They are afraid of being mislabeled, as mentally ill, or paranoid, or worst.

Many others simply do not realise that they have picked up this possibly lethal ailment, and we need to reach these individuals and give them a fighting chance.

Gang Stalking is a disease, which can be fatal for some, life changing for others, but with awareness and exposure, we are trying to make it more managable for others, who are just becoming aware of this ailment.

March 5, 2008 Posted by | bad luck, Baiting, black, Black female, Black Females, black women, BlackFemales, blackwomen, brown coats, Bullying, Citizen Informants, Civilian Spies, Cointelpro, Community harassment, community mobbing, communityharassment, crazy, discrimination, Disease, dissident, driving-crazy, East Germany, Electronic harassment, Female, Females, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking, Gaslighting, harassment, infection, Insane, Isolation, male, Minorities, Minority women, Minoritywomen, mobbing, Neighbours, oppression, paranoid, sexual harassment, silence, society, Stasi, whistle blower | 12 Comments

The Hidden Evil

Mark M. Rich or someone pretending to be him is alive and well.

http://www.TheHiddenEvil.com

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Welcome. This website is devoted to explaining a global program of torture, murder & persecution which I call the Hidden Evil. It includes a vast network of plain-clothed citizen informants, which is used for public stalking, & the use of Directed Energy Weapons on targeted individuals. All core factions of the community are involved, & everyone, from seniors to children, participates in Gang Stalking. Governments have used these groups in some form since the Roman Empire. The Hidden Evil is an example of this pattern repeating itself.

The citizens’ network controls the streets of your neighborhoods. The evidence suggests that this network is not just part of a sub-culture within society, but that it literally permeates all aspects of it, & is therefore, part of the mainstream. As I’ll demonstrate, this has happened before. The network is the creation of supra-governmental Think Tanks, which are made up of people of tremendous wealth. These Think Tanks manipulate your government like a puppet. So, in essence, these wealthy individuals control your streets.

The citizen Gang Stalking portion of the program is done under the guise of keeping an eye on internal threats to state security & cleaning up neighborhoods. As I’ll demonstrate, this is exactly what the informant networks in East Germany & Russia were told when they were recruited into these state-sponsored programs. On the neighborhood level, despite claims of patriotism, the main reasons for their participation are empowerment & adventure.

Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) & other behavior modification tools are used as weapons during public harassment. These attacks are combined with military-grade, silent, through-the-wall Directed Energy Weapons (DEW), & advanced electronic surveillance equipment. Many targets are attacked night & day with these weapons.

I have found that this program is a symptom of a heavily corrupted society under psychopathic rule. The program, in its basic form, is part of a re-occurring historical theme, which includes psychopaths gaining control of governments, & using a percentage of the population to destroy their enemies. This is done to pave the way for an overt dictatorship, & is always done under the banner of righteousness. In its current form, it is part of a political movement known as the New World Order. On this site, I’ll describe what Think Tanks are behind it. From top to bottom, the Hidden Evil is about power & control.

The mainstream news, congress, parliament, & politicians will openly deny that this exists. Organizations under the control of the financial elite will also deny it, & may be used to discredit anyone who exposes it. The media will also be used in this manner. In the future, when the authorized historians write the official history books, this part of it will be left out or whitewashed.

So this site will also serve as a record. It will be a testimony for anyone who wants to learn the truth about how the streets of the NATO nations were taken over by multi-national corporations, that used federally sponsored harassment groups to Gang Stalk their opposition, in order to pave the way for a corporate-fascist dictatorship.
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The site is well detailed, just like his report The Hidden Evil was. Mark has come to some of the same conclusions that I have in regards to the fact that Gang Stalkers are Civilian Informants as he calls them. I like to think of them as Snitches or Civilian Spies, but it’s almost all the same thing, we are getting followed around and destroyed no matter what you call them.

He has come to the conclusion that it might not be just a subset of society, but “sub-culture within society, but that it literally permeates all aspects of it”, yeah the only thing we differ in here is that I would say that this is how society is.

This is how society has been for some time now, if not always. Based on some things that I have seen and experienced, which I will discuss in another post. I don’t think that exposing this is the main problem. The snitches know that they are snitches, and like a cult or sorority are bound to this code of silence for so many reason.

Anyways, there is so much that I have to blog about, so I will summarize Mark’s site in brief, but really go to the site and read it, he has put a lot of work into it.

He says that the citizen informants are part of a the global one world government thing. A lot of the Gang Stalking stuff is exactly like what they did in Stasi Germany.

This is how societies in the past turned evil, and that we are heading there again, if this is not exposed or stopped.

It’s indeepth, well researched, and worth a visit. I think it’s neat that Mark’s site has come to practically the same conclusions, but I still say it’s worst than we know. I don’t think the electronic harassment is such a novilty. I don’t think it’s that unknown to people, not like I would like to believe.

That is for another post however.

February 24, 2008 Posted by | brown coats, Citizen Informants, Civilian Spies, Cointelpro, community policing, Controlled society, Corruption, crazy, dissident, domestic spying, Electronic harassment, Fascism, Fascist, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking, Gaslighting, government corruption, Insane, Mark M Rich, Masons, mobbing, Neurolinguistic programing, New World Order, NWO, Police State, Snitches, society, Stasi, State target, Targeted Individual | 4 Comments

Stasi-style secret police system forming in Canada, Britain, US

In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell.

I really wanted to title this post as hat’s off to Jennifer.
This is what happened. I was just sitting there trying to figure out how to get the word out about the the information that the people Gang Stalking Innocent citizens are a new form of Stasi.

Suddenly out of nowhere I see this article which answers my question very nicely. It’s from Jennifer Stoddart, the Privacy Commissioner of Canada. It’s a 48 page report. You know you have nothing better to do this weekend right? Ok after you get your Valentine day jollies out of the way, you might want to check out the report.

Here are some clips from the article.

http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20080214_snitch_state.htm

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/13/rcmp-privacy.html?ref=rss

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Jennifer Stoddart, the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, has given her own Valentine to Canadian citizens: a 48-page report warning them that the RCMP (Canada’s national police force) is keeping thousands of files on regular citizens in secret databases which cannot be seen by the accused. The news is perhaps unsurprising, given that the McDonald Commission reported in 1981 that the RCMP had been involved in all manner of illegal activity in their attempts to spy on Canadian citizens, including breaking into citizens’ homes without warrants and even conducting electronic surveillance of a member of Parliament.

One of the many disturbing facets of Stoddart’s report are the examples she cites of information for these secret files coming from citizen informants. In one case a man was put into the secret database because a resident of his daughter’s school neighborhood saw him entering a rooming house and—believing drugs were involved—called the police. The police investigation concluded that the man had only stepped out of his car to have a cigarette, but the file was still in the national security databank seven years later.

Another incident cited in the Stoddart report involved a neighbour who saw two men carrying “something that resembled a large drum, wrapped in canvas” into their house. Police were called to investigate but found nothing resembling the reported item, yet the data was still sitting in a top secret databank five years later. As Stoddart points out in the CBC story on the report, this is potentially disastrous for the individuals named in the files, because it “could potentially affect someone trying to obtain an employment security clearance, or impede an individual’s ability to cross the border.”

This report follows on the heels of news from London that a man was arrested, fingerprinted and had his DNA stored in the British DNA database because a passer-by mistook his mp3 player for a gun.

What these seemingly disparate reports point to is a growing movement to turn the citizens of so-called free, democratic nations into a self-regulating secret police, saving the government the hassle of keeping tabs on everyone by delegating the duty to an unwitting public duped by a phoney war on terror. That this is a part of a concerted effort on the part of the authorities to inculcate paranoia in the public is suggested by this ridiculous police training video from Michigan, teaching people how to be good informants: report on everyone, everywhere for doing anything.

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I have news for Jennifer, it’s already happened. Ask any Gang Stalking target. Also it’s not just in Canada, Britan, and the UK. This is happening all over the place. However I think she is very brave to have come out with the report, which I look forward to reading.
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What this video and these recent news items highlight is a harmonized effort to turn the myth of the war on terror around and aim its machinery at the general public. The controlled corporate media has played along by dutifully regurgitating government propaganda that Al-Qaeda has recruited thousands of homegrown terrorists. Now that we know anyone, anywhere, at any time is potentially a terrorist, it is our civic duty to report everything we see to the police.[/quote]
Wow, just like the old country. Although I am sure that the Stasi had less informants per capita. However civilian spies are nothing new. Snitches go back to Britain before the colonies were formed. Also Red Squad programs go back over a hundred years, and they also used Civilian Spies. The wives of police officers were even given Snitch pay in the form of pin money.

In World War 2 the Civilian Spy effort would again be used in large proportions.

Need I mention Cointelpro? Snitches, Civilian Spies, Citizen Informants, they have always been there in some form or another, and often used by the state to do their dirty work. It’s no different now. Well it is different for some of us, cause A) Didn’t know that the world was like this, and B) Did not realise that I was being followed around and stalked by them till recently. Anyways on with the article.
  
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The historical parallels to the Stasi should be obvious. The Stasi were the dreaded secret police of East Germany, who had one out of every seven citizens of the country working for them as secret informants. What is perhaps most surprising is that the US Department of Homeland Security hired the ex-Stasi chief and engineer of the Stasi police state as a consultant in 2004, shortly before they brought in a program known as Highway Watch, which has spent millions of dollars teaching tens of thousands of long distance truckers how to spot terrorists on the road. The hiring of the ex-chief of the Stasi to consult for Homeland Security also coincides with a 2004 White House push to recruit over 15,000 citizen informants to help counterterrorism investigations…and all this effort despite the fact that terrorist-related cases account for less than 0.01 percent of all Homeland Security investigations.

Look for the number of false accusations from anonymous citizen informants to increase under the watchful eye of these government paranoia programs.

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I have news for this article. T.I.P.S. Terrorist Information Prevention System, was officially killed, but they went ahead and turned people into snitches under other programs.

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1173459983

http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1170604276

Anyways it’s just some fun Friday-night food for thought.

I hope this helps some of those in the Gang Stalking Community begin to come to terms with what we are dealing with and what we are up against. It’s worst than it looks. There is always hope however.

February 16, 2008 Posted by | brown coats, buzzsaw, Censorship, CIA, Citizen Informants, Civilian Spies, Cointelpro, community policing, Controlled society, Corruption, Covert investigations, domestic spying, Fascism, Fascist, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking, government corruption, harassment, Markus Wolf, mobbing, Monitoring, Neighbours, New World Order, NWO, oppression, Red Squads, silence, Snitches, society, Spying, Stalking, Stasi, State target, Targeted Individual, UK | 18 Comments

Fascist.

 I am just really disgusted. I saw a newspaper article that was talking about how horrible what they are doing in Tibet is. What the monks are going through. I just thought, what about what the government of these western countries are doing to their people. They really think their garbage does not reek. Well it does. (Don’t get me wrong the Tibet situation is horrible, but then our smug, controlled media get to report it, and then we get to feel all good about ourselves, cause we are not like that. Yeah right, you are something worst, because your stuff is hidden, like a dark, dank, dirty little secret.)

I mean really this is what the state is doing.

1. You have wall to wall network of civilian snitches who actually think that pimping each other out is the right thing to do. No respect, and it’s the modern day version of browncoats. Been there done that, the world didn’t need it the first time around, and they don’t need it now.

They really literally nauseate me. I mean to see them in their lame caravans, driving up and down, and walking up and down, it’s disgusting.

2. The state is actually using aerial surveillance. (Not joking.) These creatures actually use and do utilise airplanes to track targets. (Who is the fascists now? That right you are.)

3. They are torturing their own citizens in their homes. I guess as long as the media does not report it, and you are not beating them to a bloody pulp in the street it’s ok to torture people. You make me sick. It’s so hypocritical. How can you criticse other countries, when you do things that are far worst? It’s like the community leader who runs the anti pedophile campaign, only to turn out to be a pedophile himself. Disgusting.

4. The reason that they move in around us, is because these creatures actually think that we are like their prisoners. They are guarding and watching us. It’s like it’s meant to be house arrest or something. Then they report your comings and goings, and whichever snitches are on patrol that day, follow you around. (They work in shifts.)

5. Oh when they know where you are, they will call the snitches on that block, and tell them to keep an eye out for you. Eg. (We have a mentally disturbed person in the area and we need your help, or whatever lie they are using. Remember this is your government doing this and allowing this. These same hypocrites will claim they did not know what was going on under these programs. There is just really something wrong with them.) To the target it’s no better than what the KKK use to do to black people in the south, or the browncoats to the Jews in Germany. As usual the citizens of the state are eating this bs up. They really do think they are doing something good. This is the part that I really just don’t get. I can grasp it with my mind, sort of, but I just can’t understand it. I don’t understand it any better than the German citizens turning on their neighbours doing the same thing. Here we go again. We are so smug, we don’t realise, that we are doing the same thing now. (How can I judge. A year ago, I believed my country could do no wrong. I would never have believed anything bad about them, or that they could be capable of allow such things. Oh well, I was just so wrong.)

6. Well you know about being followed around in public. Oh and then let’s say they loose you. The snitches if they think they have picked up the trail will call it in. They will give your height, description etc.

Remember targets it’s the state allowing this. It’s not being done by anyone else or anything else. Then these same people turn around and tell you who to hate, and how horrible and evil everyone else is. Oh the hypocrisy of it all. The sickness. There is literally something just wrong with them and a society that could go along with this.

Again if you understand nothing else, understand that these people think that they are doing something good, patriotic. Every fascist society goes though this. Every police state, etc. Fighting for the greater good my ass.

I got a chance to watch a clip from the 80’s movie, mini series V. The clip I watched was this letter that Abraham writes to his family, about why they have to help. It’s pretty compelling. When I was younger and I first watched it, I didn’t realise that it was about resisting fascism. Some time later as I grew up, I realised that it was almost like a world war II movie, with the resistance fighters and all that. I never dreamed that someday when I grew up, I would be living and seeing, and experiencing my own version of that.

I mean you feel free, but you are not. Nothing better than tools for the state, and those who resist, or are deemed none compliant, none conformist end up like us. Targeted. Now who is the aggressive, crazy nation that is hurting it’s own citizens. Get the beam out of your own eye, before you go complaining about specks in other peoples. You have way more issues in your own country than others have in theirs. You are like that upstanding politician by day, and that pervert who goes home, and does unspeakable things to their kids by night. Just gross. At least in other countries, when they run over their people with tanks, we know what time of day it is. Here you torture and torment from a distance, then you form these fake committee’s, and pretend you are so good and so moral, and you are not. You are just as bad if not worst than the others.

These countries are suppose to stand for freedom and democracy. They are suppose to be an example to the rest of the world, but instead, you are just as bad as every other government on the planet, you are just better at hiding what you are doing. You are literally doing some of the most evil and immoral things, and you are just better at hiding it.
Oh I noticed that the scrambling news site is gone offline for some time now. I wonder if they are trying to get rid off all traces of their bs? (Scrambling news was the satellite stealing site, that sold the book by David Lawson. The book that tried to make people think that gang stalking was caused by right wing, anti government groups.) Anyways.

It’s so horrible because you think, if I was living in a fascist, or police state I would know it. On T.V. and in movies, they always have tanks, and uniforms and they are marching in the streets. Well just because you have not given the snitches uniforms, it’s no better. The worst part is, these hypocrites use to tell us how bad countries like Russia, and Germany were for doing the same crap they are doing. The hypocrisy is just really bothering me today.

It’s realising how crazy, and truly creepy these people are. How just like Russia they are getting rid of dissident, activities, their version of enemies of the state. However again it’s not the government that disappoints me, apparently there have always been corrupt regimes. No what disappoints me is that society just goes along with this. Don’t get me wrong. I do realise not everyone is down with something this crazy, and creepy. I do realise that it might not be wise or reasonable for everyone to be as open and vocal about it. I do realise these people are creepy and dangerous, but then that is why something has to be said. I really do believe that “all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” (Edmund Burke.)

We must resist all appearances of evil. (To the best of your ability.) The more I blog, the more I do realise that most of society is aware of what is going on. If you are not a target or a snitch then you will have no idea what I mean. I just realised that when not following a target, most times they just act normal and they don’t use the one handed Stasi/Snitch speak, so you probably will not see that, unless you start speaking to them first. When they don’t know that you are a target, they just seem so normal, it’s easy to almost forget just how creepy this society is.
http://www.mvp-seattle.com/Pages/pageFascism.htm

12 signs of fascism. I think waking up and finding yourself a Targeted Individual is a pretty big sign.

It’s sad, because I like to think these people grew up the same way I did, had the same values, morals, were on the same page, and they clearly were not. For every dissatisfied person, there are those all too happy to be snitches. In the movie V, (The one with the aliens.) In the clip I was watching the couple are afraid to help, because they have just been turned in by their son, who is a snitch. (God I wish I had understood this stuff better back then. So many others knew and understood these times so much better.) Anyways so they have been tortured ruffed up, and released back into the community to be an example to others, who would help the resistance movement. They are scared and rightfully so, and the wife is explaining why they can’t help. Then the husband who had his arm broken, goes and get’s a letter from his father. His father had survived Nazi Germany, only to be dog meat to a bunch of fascist aliens. Anyways, he reads the letter. It’s a great letter, touching scene and they realise that they have to help the resistance, or they will have learnt nothing. It’s a great scene, and relevant for our time period.

It’s not like it made me hopeful, because this generation, they have forgotten and so we are to repeat this garbage all over again.

Aggressive nation with too much fire power attacking other countries, that did nothing to them. Concentration camps, fake attack that get’s the wars started, and a fascist government, that controls a legion of snitches. Which time period am I referring to?

Anyways, just some reflections.

Oh last thing. The snitching thing. Apparently goes back to England and maybe before. So all the colonies and the branched off countries, at some point probably carried the snitching infection over with them. It’s nothing new. I don’t know if this concentration is anything new, or this level of corruption, but why should I think it is.

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/wrongfulconvictions/

documents/SnitchSystemBooklet.pdf

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Hypothetical

The following is reposted by request. It ‘s a record of a forum conversation conducted some months ago regarding gang stalking/Covert Investigations that has now been removed. The following was a “hypothetical conversation” between GS, and BB another poster.

 

 

BB-

 

1. I was talking to a friend about all the posts concerning Gang Stalking and community policing, and we came up with these things that we think may help counter the stalking.

2. (Intended For entertainment purposes only, and on the assumption such a thing as Gang Stalking exists of course, so don’t take any of this seriously).

He he he he.

 

3. Have friends sign up for community policing, so you have some one on the inside.

4. Walk your block, any were you can have a good vantage point of the area, is were they will be, so if you see some one there, it will probably be them. (Identifying, them is half the battle).

5. Bug your own car, in case they set you up, use voice or sound activated tape recorders when ever you can, like in your home. If some one comes in while you are out, you now have a voice. Carry one under your shirt.

6. Start your own data base; always have a camera or video with you ALLWAYS. Record possible faces and cars. (You could say you are making a movie or you are an artist as a reason for always being seen taking pictures of cars and people).

7. Lead them to areas were you know there is not much traffic or people, have a friend hide with a video cam, to catch the car plates and the people in the cares if he/she can.

8. (Call the friend from a pay phone).

9. If you are set up, take as many of them to jail with you as you can (set them up, he he he just kidding). If you can’t figure who set them on you, them implicate your known enemies, as drug dealers or rats or other. If you go down when they go through your computer or diary, and there is the names of the locals you think may be involved; now they are in the hot seat to.

10. Get a friend to call and find out were they meet and collect as much info as possible.

11. Have your lawyer ask if the accuser, or accusers, are, or have ever been, a part of community policing, and if they have ever been told to follow or monitor you, then lead to how often and how many people involved. (to show stalking).

12. Freedom of information form can be filled out by your lawyer, ask to see if the local police have ever had you under surveillance, for how long, how many involved, and if community policing was used. And why.

13. Place small peaces of paper on top of your door when you close it or tie a hair across it, or place a small breakable fuse under door mats when you leave to see if they have been disturbed when you get back home.

14. Spread pepper to through dogs of from smelling around or in your home, the basement in particular.

15. Keep a diary, and make burn CDs of all video and pictures you have of them. Make lots of copies, and mail or email them to your self or friends to keep.

16. Have more than one email address.

17. When possible have other people use you computer, (with in reason), if anything is planted by the stalkers now you are not the only one that has used it.

18. Call work (payphone) take the occasional impromptu long drive late Sunday.

You don’t have to go to work they do, and they (probably as many as four cars) will all have to pay gas. (Gets expensive for volunteers).

19. Bike up one way streets, (just kidding that is eligal and dangerous, dont do it, he he he) this annoys them when they are in cars, or take your bike in the trunk then pull over lock your car then bike.

20. When they stalk you in cars they will run a box type pattern, two or three will get in front of you and then one will split to the left and right to monitor if you turn right or left one will stay in front and one will be behind you by a few blocks. You are now boxed in no matter what direction you turn. Exhaust them and there gas and resources by walking or driving a few docks in one direction then go back then reverse it, you travel less than they do they spend money.

21. When you see one of them approach them, and ask for the time, or start a conversation there friends will gather, but they are not supposed to talk to you as they may find out you are innocent and this will cause them to question there superiors, and there operation could be jeopardized.

22. If they cause you to loose your job, then you have complete control over the hours you sleep and were you go, make them follow you at three or four in the morning then switch your sleeping pattern.

23. Condition them to expect certain behavior (walk at the same time every day, go to the same coffee shop), then when you need to you can throw them a curve.

24. Be around people as much as possible.

25. Get a police background check done on your self, it costs about $25.00 then when it comes back clear use it to try to join community policing, (now they cant say they did not know you were innocent and not a criminal, in court this is a good tool).

26. Have friends get the police check done and have them join community policing, so you have inside information to confirm you are being stalked.

27. Do volunteer work in the community to improve you image and to cause the stalkers to doubt why they are stalking someone that is helping the community. And to be around people and to stay sane.

28. Don’t be a victim; use your imagination to set them up and to expose them. Dont assume there is no counter to Gang Stalking, if it was invented by man it can be broken or counterd by man.

 

Don’t take any of this seriously it is all hypothetical and not intended as advise of any kind. As we all know Gang Stalking does not exist. He he he he.

 

 

 

GS-

Thank you for the hypothetical suggestions.

 

Yeah well apparently gang stalking does not exist, from what I can see it was set up as disinformation to lead targets astray from these stupid insidious Cointelpro type investigations that are happening to innocent people in society.

 

They threw in just enough truth to make it feasable, so that when targets go to the police, who fully know what’s happening, and start complaining about gang stalking, they get their butt’s kicked, or get termed crazy, or whatever.

 

You have a covert investigation, where there people friends, families, employers, landlords etc, are contacted and told God know’s what about these people, and then they get asked to spy on you. Also with the community civilian snitches, who use their little Stasi signal to communicate. (How appropriate.)

 

If I had known when this junk first began that that was what was going on, I could have gone straight to a lawyer, and said hey look, this is what seems to be going on, can you do anything? Instead I had to spend months looking into this, to try to figure out what is happening to the targets.

 

People like David Lawson who wrote terrorist stalking in America are either government agents spreading disinfo, or just really stupid. Considering the term gang stalking did not come along until after his first book, and now they seem to be trying to fade out the term it’s so irritating.

 

From what I read about Kilmeer Gill, you know that Montreal shooter, it sounds like he might have been under watch for over 6 years. Things that were written in his blog, sound like this, and if that’s the case, they might have driven him to a state where he was capable of hurting those people. I think the actions of these covert investigation are criminal themselves. Just like Cointelpro was criminal and conducted by the government, it’s the same thing, but now they are using civilian spies to help ruin the lives of innocent people.

 

Do you know how many people are taking part in this, who don’t know the harm they are doing to others, or the roles they are really playing? I think that the media have a responsibillity to report this stuff, and to do investigative documentaries about this stuff, but just like during the McCarthy era, they won’t, and more innocent people will just get destroyed. It saddens me to realise that we are once again in such at time period.

 

With people trying to sensor this information. It really makes me very angry, that someone would censor information on something that is affecting innocent people. People have a right to know, and they trust the media to tell them.

Toronto Star 

 

At least some of the truth is getting through, but it’s a shame that more media people are not stepping up to the plate and trying to do the right thing. Whatever that is in our new survellence, snitch society, where everyone monitors everyone else.

 

 

BB-

What you say about Kilmeer Gill sounds possible, he did say he wanted to get away but that they wouldn’t let him, or something like that.

He sounded like he could have been Gang Stalked to the breaking point.

 

I don’t understand why people don’t legislate for:

 

1. Them to have identification displayed that could be easily seen from a distance for the safety of the people they follow and assume guilty, and for the safety of the general public, and the volunteers them self’s.

2. I am asking what safeguards are in place for the public, to show there is no abuse of power by the COPP type programs.

3. What is in place to stop them (COPP) targeting Natives or others, based on a bias or the word of someone with a grudge or even on the word of a cop.

4. Where are the neutral third parties and the transparency for the public to observe?

And question and watch them at will.

5. Where or at what point are the people targeted allowed to see the evidence against them and to disprove it to the COPP, Gang Stalkers?

6. What is the Government doing to be held accountable for the safety of the citizens on patrol volunteers, and the people they may follow, or Stalk, on behalf of the police (Hypothetical example).

7. Why are there no limits to the length of Stalking time to avoided disasters? Kilmeer Gill as possible example you have given. If the police have to have programs like COPP to Stalk or harass people for them then there should be a limit of two weeks or months. After that the police should do there own work, or have CSIS do it for them.

 

 

Have the COPP programs set them selves up as judge, jury, and executioner?

Inventing evidence when none is there to justify there existence?

 

The COPP programs volunteers would not be told that they are harassing innocent people, and most would not question there authority figures. They would simply be unaware that what they are being asked to do, is legal (hence the need for no identification on cars or persons).

Nor would they need to know they could be the cause of someone snapping or committing suicide, as you saw this is a real possibility. I guess it would all depend on how fanatical there leader is. All this is a possibility, so what precautions are in place?

 

And the problem comes when they start stalking people that are not criminals, but that may have been out spoken either against police or government or other groups.

Even a good person can be painted as a criminal when they (COPP programs) choose to use these tactics, with police backing.

I am not saying that this is the case, but Is this Russia are they the COPP programs against people having the right to answer to what ever COPP has accused them of, that may have caused the Gang Stalking in the first place?

 

What safeguards are in place by the Government for the public, to show there is no abuse of power by the COPP programs?

 

It they were to “gang stalk” people on behalf of the police or other force (just an example you understand).

I would think it would be dangerous to them, as most criminals are a little paranoid to begin with. Having them (alleged criminals) “gang stalked” on behalf of the police, would place them the citizens on patrol in danger, as they may be mistaken for other criminals or gang members.

Are these people required by the Government to wear easily seen identification on there cars and persons at all times?

Have the police ever gotten the citizens on patrol to follow or “Gang Stalk” people under a presumption of guilt rather than actual guilt?

After all the RCMP fiascos can we afford not to ask these questions and have safe guards put in place?

All of this is just wild speculation and rumor of course.

Why has no one tried to get inside there groups and expose them?

Why has no one tried to write a book outlining some of there tactics. And measures to counter there tactics (it would be a hell of a money maker).

All of this is just wild speculation and rumor of course, based on the assumption that such a thing as Gang Stalking by police sponsored vigilante type groups exists.

 

 

GS- Here is some more information on Gill and why I think he really was a target of this practice, and I think this is what lead to the shooting in Montreal. This is why I think what I do, and this is why I would like to see more media information about this.

 

The Trench Coat

 

For those with a short memory you might remember that Kimveer Gill was the young Montreal man who went on a shooting spree several months ago killing at least 1 person and wounding at least a dozen others.

 

Most people just wrote him off as a nut case who was into video games and mixed up fantasy with reality, a goth who hated society. For those of us who stopped to read some of his postings to gain clues to what might have happened, there is an angle that has not been discussed, that has not been talked about.

 

Here are some of his blog postings that I found really interesting.

 

Dated September 12, 2006

 

[quote]Stop Bullying

 

It?s not only the bully?s fault you know!!

It?s the teachers and principals fault for turning a blind eye, just cuz it?s not their job. You *uckers are pathetic.

It?s the police?s fault for not doing anything when people conplain (oops, my mistake, the cops are corrupt sons of whores, so it?s not like they can do anything about it.)

 

*UCK THE POLICE

 

It?s society?s fault for acting like it?s normal for people to be assholes to each other. Society disgusts me.

It?s everyone?s fault for being so apathetic towards *ucking everything that doesn?t affect them personally. *UCK YOU SOCIETY.

[/quote]

 

It sounds like his bullying, which is what he called it, might have involved trying to get the police to do something, but it sounds like they not only did not do anything about the bullying, they also he ends with calling them corrupt. Why?

 

Not so outside the realm of what you might find in many other bullying cases, but here is something that is particularly interesting.

 

[quote]I wonder why my household has been under surveillance by law enforcement for 6 years now? Makes no sense to me!!

 

Oh, you?re wondering how I know?

lol

Bet you little monkeys are

Hey, assholes!!

Everything everyone says or does against me is shown to me in my dreams, I see everything. You *ucking monkeys.

 

God, you humans are so inferior.

[/quote]

 

 

 

The above is taken from the trench coat site, where they have his blog postings. Now the last post was the one I found the most interesting, when doing research on this. Trying to understand if in fact the actions of others, did in part lead to the situation in Montreal, and if so what can be done to prevent it and avoid it in future.

 

 

I am wondering what guidelines there are in place for things like this, but after reading about Mahar Arar and the bs the CSIS and RCMP pulled, I realized there is no one moral at the gate. I mean they realised the man was innocent and did nothing to change the perception of his guilt and were willing to let him rot in some country where he was being tortured, and part of why he was on some list had more to do with who he had associated with in the past.

 

CBC

 

[quote]Zaccardelli says he first learned that the Mounties had passed erroneous information about Arar on to U.S authorities after a public inquiry report was released by Justice Dennis O’Connor in the fall of 2006. In September that year, Zaccardelli told a parliamentary committee that he had learned of the RCMP’s mistake shortly after Arar’s deportation to Syria in 2002. [/quote]

 

From what I understand after ralising that the RCMP was corrupt, they created CSIS only to have the same corruption happen all over again.

 

They knew they had passed on false information and did nothing to correct it, if anything they did the opposite. These are the people we are suppose to trust, to protect us and the rights of innocent citizens.

 

 

[quote]RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli breaks more than a week of silence on Maher Arar’s ordeal, apologizing for the “nightmare” that arose when the Mounties wrongly linked him to terrorism. Speaking before the House of Commons security committee, Zaccardelli denies that the government muzzled him from speaking earlier on the case and insists he will not step down as commissioner over the affair.

 

Several critics have called for Zaccardelli’s resignation following the revelation of the RCMP’s blunders, detailed in O’Connor’s report on the investigation.

 

[/quote]

 

The same thing happens in these covert investigations. I can see why they are opened in secret to an extent, but based on extensive conversations with people that are being harassed in this way, there is a lot being done to set them up so that they can look and come across as crazy. Wither it’s them being batted in public, so they can have an angry outburst, to them having their home entered and stuff moved around, or other small things that make them sound collectively crazy it’s the same thing, and there is seemingly no reason for it.

 

The other thing is some of these people are whistle-blowers, minorities, and single woman, people that are marginalized or independent, the type that for whatever reason the government has decided to go after. There are people that I have talked to that have said that this has been going on for 10 years, 15 years, 20 years. How inefficient would you have to be, that you need 20 years to determine if someone is a criminal, crazy, terrorist, whatever lie you are making up? Honestly.

 

There does not seem to be any moral force governing this, and from what I can see, have observed, and confirmed with others, the police are fully corporation with making these people sound like they are crazy when they go to the police. Eg. The police are aware of these eyes and ears programs, when I spoke to one office he had in his division 5 reports of stalking of this specific nature. The reports were apparently all from single females, and yet he was writing them off as paranoid. (These community officers know about this program, because they are the ones who are in charge of it for the various divisions, just to give you an idea.)

 

From what I can see it seems that a large part of society is going along with the snitching and civilian spying, but not necessarily the brightest part of society, or the cleanest. What I mean is, I have seen some people that I am pretty sure are criminal elements, who acting as civilian spies, and I am so grossed out by that. I mean snitches will sell their mothers out for money, why not innocent people?

 

Since this is being used to target certain primary groups, what you have said about this being used as a revenge service has a lot of merit. To this date, there is no clear guideline that I have been able to find to the length of time a covert investigation can be ongoing for, the guidelines for incidents getting reported. Eg. I mentioned targets being set up by some of these snitches/civilian spies.

 

 

[quote]1. Them to have identification displayed that could be easily seen from a distance for the safety of the people they follow and assume guilty, and for the safety of the general public, and the volunteers them self’s.

2. I am asking what safeguards are in place for the public, to show there is no abuse of power by the COPP type programs.

3. What is in place to stop them (COPP) targeting Natives or others, based on a bias or the word of someone with a grudge or even on the word of a cop.

4. Where are the neutral third parties and the transparency for the public to observe?

And question and watch them at will.

5. Where or at what point are the people targeted allowed to see the evidence against them and to disprove it to the COPP, Gang Stalkers?

6. What is the Government doing to be held accountable for the safety of the citizens on patrol volunteers, and the people they may follow, or Stalk, on behalf of the police (Hypothetical example).

7. Why are there no limits to the length of Stalking time to avoided disasters? Kilmeer Gill as possible example you have given. If the police have to have programs like COPP to Stalk or harass people for them then there should be a limit of two weeks or months. After that the police should do there own work, or have CSIS do it for them.

[/quote]

 

1. See they are suppose to be just average citizens while out on the road, they act as the eyes and ears of society, so for the snitching purpose of this, giving them identification would not work. The other problem is because there is no id, anyone and I do mean anyone can take advantage of this. If I am aware of this, who else is? Skin heads, KKK, can you imagine them baiting a target, then several of their friends reporting the incident of the crazy target? Hitlers Brown Coats, use to do this to the Jews in WWII so they could make them act out and get arrested, and now we have this in our society.

 

2. There are no safeguards from what I can see, because if the target of this can not give their feedback or input, then it’s completely bogus. Eg. Even when targets file police reports, the police reports are often not filed, or purposely twisted around to make the target look crazy. Also with the baiting, the target never get’s to explain why they got angry or yelled at someone. Guilty because some corrupt people say so, and the target get’s no input, and from what I can see, there are people purposely baiting targets, with the blessing of the people in charge. (From what I can see.)

 

3. There is nothing to stop them, and based on who is getting targeted, it looks like they are one step ahead of you with choosing whom to target. Society already has the police racial profiling people this is just one more way for them to do it and long term, until someones life is destroyed. There is no time line for these investigations.

 

4. Not only that, but if you suspect you are under investigation, there is no place to go, and no party to turn to. Amnesty will not help with this, and most lawyers can not discuss this, because how many have also agreed to be the eyes and ears of the state? So targets are left with no resources to clear their names. And since the media will also do nothing to help, most don’t know what exactly is happening to them.

 

5. They are never allowed to see the evidence against them. Just like Guantanamo Bay, So there could be tons of erroneous bs, and all the target know is maybe they can’t get an apartment, or find a job, or people are mean or rude to them, but they have no idea why. The ultimate way to black ball and black list someone, and where is the media to help them? Nowhere.

 

6. I don’t know about that, but if Gill was a target of this, then they should be charged equally with the death of that girl. You can not do something so inhuman to someone and then wonder at the outcome. We now recognise this in bullying and the connection to school shootings. We need to acknowledge this as well. I think the thing with these investigations is that some targets will kill themselves, others, go to jail, become homeless, or be institutionalised, and if only a small percentage is damaged every year, it does not appear that bad.

 

Videos: Cointelpro.

 

1. Youtube

 

2. Youtube

 

3. Youtube

 

4. Youtube

 

 

7. Because from the research that I have been able to find, and from talking to others, just like with Cointelpro investigations, the goal is to destroy the target. They did this to Martin Luther King Jr. People have to understand that governments do bad things. If the media would do their jobs, then this would be understood.

 

They tried to destroy that man, and when that failed, they targeted him for termination, and a month later he was assassinated.

 

ICDC

 

 

[quote]Have the COPP programs set them selves up as judge, jury, and executioner? Inventing evidence when none is there to justify there existence? [/quote]

 

I think the people running this have set themselves up to be just that, since there is no input from the target. How in a democratic society can you be declared guilty without seeing the evidence against you, and have you life so interfered with. I mean these people will contact everyone in a targets life with the same lies, and ask or force them to go along with the spying. Every store a target goes into, they are exposed as someone who needs watching wither it’s true or not.

 

Exactly. Inventing evidence to justify their existence. If they can show that we have a bunch of unstable, criminal, terrorist people in society, then it’s funding for them. It’s reason for their existence. There is no one saying hey wait a second, how do we know it’s true? Cointelpro all over again.

 

[quote]The COPP programs volunteers would not be told that they are harassing innocent people, and most would not question there authority figures. They would simply be unaware that what they are being asked to do, is legal (hence the need for no identification on cars or persons).

Nor would they need to know they could be the cause of someone snapping or committing suicide, as you saw this is a real possibility. I guess it would all depend on how fanatical there leader is. All this is a possibility, so what precautions are in place?

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Exactly. Then you get a term like gang stalking and it just confuses things. Eg. The target goes looking for answers and via the term gang stalking, they are told it’s these evil vigilante types that are committing this stuff. They know themselves to be innocent so of course they believe that it’s vigilantes.

 

Meanwhile the people doing the stalking, sorry civilian spying, see about 15 minutes of the targets life. So they really do believe they are stalking someone who is crazy, a criminal, danger to society, whatever lie they have been told. A lot of them are just trying to be good citizens.

 

So you have two world’s colliding. The target who is followed and harassed every freaking day gets it. They feel victimized, and they have no place to turn for help or assistance. They become a creature with their back to the wall, most will eventually come out fighting.

 

The civilian spies might be told to jiggle keys at someone every time the subway announcement is read out, while someone else none partial observes the behaviour. (This is how it’s suppose to be neutral and none partial, and fair.) What they don’t see, is the little trouble maker who tried to shove the keys in someones face, and upset them just 10 minutes later. Thus they get angry because they are acutely aware that they are being harassed and they don’t like it.

 

So from the targets point of view they are getting harassed, from the person who is observing this, the target is acting irrational. Cause they don’t see the people who tried to trip the target, while the other jangled keys in front of them yesterday. Etc. This goes on, and they take the input of the person doing the observation and the civilian spies. So it all looks neutral. I mean 7 civilian spies who don’t know the target are not going to make up a lie right? If they don’t have the whole picture, then yes that is what they are doing inadvertently, and it’s shame. A lot of the civilian spies are not bad people. They think they are helping the country.

 

I mean they don’t any better. They are asked to observe someone for 15 minutes, they see them flipping out, they file a report, and they never ask or question the events that came before it.

 

[quote]And the problem comes when they start stalking people that are not criminals, but that may have been out spoken either against police or government or other groups.

Even a good person can be painted as a criminal when they (COPP programs) choose to use these tactics, with police backing.

I am not saying that this is the case, but Is this Russia are they the COPP programs against people having the right to answer to what ever COPP has accused them of, that may have caused the Gang Stalking in the first place? [/quote]

 

 

In Russia they used this on activists and dissidents all the time to make them look mentally ill, so they could lock them away.

 

The other problem is they are using criminal elements to be the extra set of eyes and ears. So you have low lives, also helping to stalk innocent people. Clearly I don’t have to paint this picture for you.

 

 

[quote]What safeguards are in place by the Government for the public, to show there is no abuse of power by the COPP programs? [/quote]

 

In the research that I have done over the last 10 months I have found nothing. The police will not talk about the investigations or how someone get’s off the list. (I have been able to get that far, but stalled with the investigations unit.) The RCMP have a complaint process, but it’s for a complaint against a specific agent or person.

 

Since targets don’t have names, or a clear info about which division is doing what, who is heading stuff up, it’s really hard. Also since the police are lying about this, it’s almost impossible. Very few will admit to the program and very few will try to do anything to help targets. Most will flat out lie and say there is no such thing. (Harder for them, since the article came out, but they do still try.)

 

[quote]Have the police ever gotten the citizens on patrol to follow or “Gang Stalk” people under a presumption of guilt rather than actual guilt?

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I think we all know the answer to this question. You have some really good questions, and you understand this really well. Hypothetically of course.

 

[quote]After all the RCMP fiascos can we afford not to ask these questions and have safe guards put in place?

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No the truth is, we can not afford to, but yet we do anyways.

 

[quote]Why has no one tried to get inside there groups and expose them?

Why has no one tried to write a book outlining some of there tactics. And measures to counter there tactics (it would be a hell of a money maker).

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The problem is as a target, you will not be asked to be a civilian spy, so you have to use those investigative journalist skills to find out any details.

 

Phones bugged, acquaintances all of them contacted, so they are all sworn to secrecy, and most do keep their mouths shut. Only a few targets have been lucky enough to have good friends clue them in.

 

I agree with the book idea, but because of what David Lawson did with his book, it might make targets look questionable.

 

[quote]Stalking by police sponsored vigilante type groups exists.[/quote]

 

Remember they don’t call it state sponsored stalking. They call it being an extra set of eyes and ears. It’s so nice the PC terms being used. I guess to call it the means of driving your fellow citizens to suicide, mass slaughter, institutionalization, jail, or homelessness, just does not have the same ring to it.

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