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The side you don’t see.

The side you don’t see.

What targeted individuals have to understand is that there are two sides to the story. I still don’t understand this at times, but I have come to a place of acceptance.

There is the side that we experience and then the side that some of these Citizen Informants experience. 

As I have documented before, Citizen Informants are told something very specific, and they are often acting this information.

Remember last summer I did some field work. I slipped by confines and was able to be away from the Snitches for an hour or so. When I was walking, based on where I was walking, and the time of night I was walking a funny thing happened. Several phones in a row started ringing at about the same time as I moved down the street. It was summer and the windows were either open or the phones were just really loud. They rang one right after another, as I moved up the street.

As I walked I heard someone answer one of the phones, it was on speaker. I heard the person on the other end, explain something to the extent of the fact that they were looking for something along the lines of a mentally ill person who might be in the area.

Now I have mentioned that I found out the reason I am allegedly being stalked is because I am suppose to be mentally ill? I have never had any kind of interaction with any mental health professional “that I am aware of”. 

So I decided to walk back to where I live. Now I was not trying to be paranoid. The phone call might have had nothing to do with me, but since I had slipped my snitches, I was fairly sure that it did.

I returned back to the area, at that time of night there should have been very few people out, there were dozens. The dog walkers, police cars, etc. I passed two as I came closer to home. It was creepy, it was like watching the neighbourhood Gestapo or something, with the dogs.

I was still walking past them all, then as I came closer to my home this guy comes up to me, stops right in front of me, and calls in my description. He calls in gender, race, approximate height, and says something to the effect of yeah I think we have em. He really didn’t care, that I was right there. It was like I was not human or something. I could have stopped him and asked him questions, and taken it further, but it was field work and I had yielded more than expected on that expedition.

This event was something of an experience. That is just one side you are not seeing in most cases. Some of these people are not bad, some actually believe that they are doing something good.

Picture this you are a home owner, part of some community watch. The phone rings, they tell you that they are calling from Stasi central, I mean community central, and that there is mentally disturbed, or pedophile, or rapist, drug dealer etc, you want to protect your community, cause you assume it’s true. This was the first time I had any clue, what actually get’s said on these calls, and what the community at large must really be thinking.

Remember I have never been openly evaluated by anyone that I am aware of for this kind of a determination to be made. I have also never had any opportunity to defend myself or tell my side of the story. Yet my life is being disrupted this way, and I am being labeled, as are many other Targets.
Remember they get a description of our race, age, gender, for example if you are white, male, 6″4, age 45, that is what they will be told. We have a white male, 6’4, age 45. Is an emotionally disturbed person, and is sensitive to keys jingling. So they will try to track the target from home, and they will use this information. The foot patrols and cars use the hand signals and others use audio ques for where to go, with directions on where to go. 

So along the path, they will jangle keys at targets that fit the description to see if they have the correct person in sight at all times. That’s some of the info they get in their emails.
The second scenario. I was on the train, and this was shortly after I learnt some of the Stasi like signals. Before this I just always thought that it was people trying to provoke me, and it had worked on a few occasions, because you are so aware of the harassment.

I finally tuned into the fact that it’s not that simple. There is always a conductor. (These are names that I give for the people carrying out the roles.) The conductor in my opinion tells people where to go, and when to carry out actions. They do this via the hand signals.

There is the observer(s). There will always be other people looking to see what your response is. These people will watch you closely and look to see if you react, what the reaction is.
Then there are what I am calling the agitators. They carry out a specific action. Eg. I always thought people would randomly irritate me, and then do it in sink with each other. This is not exactly the case. Depending on how many of them were able to get on the same train as me, and get into position to run the skit, there might be one or more agitators.

They know what to do ahead of time in some cases, but most often they are acting on the signal of the conductor.
Eg. If your sensitivity is keys jingling, the jingling is not random. What I observed was this is done when the stop is called out. It’s very specific.

You as the target you will never understand this. Now let’s say someone jangles keys and we get all upset, well people are watching and the reaction is going to be observed and reported back.

So they jingle keys for about 5 stops. We have two agitators, one sitting right beside you, the other right behind you. You know that people are going out of their way to annoy the hell out of you, and have been doing so for the last 6 months straight and you have no idea why?

So finally you get angry, and you flip out a little bit and tell them to knock it off. Well they keep doing it. As far as they know, you are a disturbed person, and they are just following orders. 

Meanwhile the conductor is watching this, the observers. They are going to be complete strangers, who report back the outcome of the skit.

They see a 15 minute to 30 minute skit. They don’t get to see that you did not sleep last night, or for the last 5 months because someone is electronically keeping you awake. They did not see you walking to the underground, and that people kept banging into you, as they jingled their keys. They did not see the guy who almost tripped you, while jingling his keys in your face. By this time you are pissed, you know that you are being deliberately provoked and have not a freaking clue why?

So the skit happens. You are human and finally flip out a bit and tell them to knock it off, hit the keys away etc. Well that whole skit and your reaction to it has just been observed. They never get to see the behind the scene production. Their role was a short 15 minutes, and why would strangers lie and say that you had flipped out? Seemed dangerous?

Cause they never see the full picture of our harassment.
So how can someone have another person declared crazy if they are not? Well depends on who is doing the observation. If you are a perceived danger to society or to the public’s health, under some of those laws I was looking over, they can have you investigated.

If you deliberately sensitized like I was and many other TI’s, you won’t have a clue that it was deliberate, and you won’t know why. I now know that my original harassers tried to sensitize me to a few things. One took the others did not, but when I got to my next job, they tried using all of them to see which ones had taken. For me it was just harassment and that is all I saw felt and experienced at the time.

The little twit that sensitized me had some sort of military link. He did something on the weekends military related, or something like that. I think it’s fair to say, he knew what he was doing, and I had no idea at the time that he was deliberately sensitizing me.
This is the side that you don’t see. You don’t see this well rehearsed, coordinated effort by our civilian spies. Some of them truly think they are keeping the community safe from a dangerous person. Others are there to agitate the target, so that they will flip out and get them committed. In other cases as Mark described he had parents setting little kids in front of him, who then stopped looked shocked and then ran the other way. No doubt to make him look like a pedophile and his reactions would have been observed the whole time. The same is true for any other lie that they are trying to pin.
The side they don’t see. Us being tortured day in and day out. They don’t see the provocations, well some do, because they are deliberate agitators, but they are as the Nazi’s like to say, just following orders.

Some of them understand that there is something not quite right happening, others do not and really think that there is something wrong with you.

In the case where they upset a target so much the target flips out and hurts one of them, then the target get’s arrested or taken away, they feel that they have done their job, cause the person clearly was crazy. On the other hand you finally get upset after a billion years without sleep, you think they are evil, godless, vigilantes or whatever, and you never see that side of it, and they never see your side.

The only one that sees what is really happening are the people pulling the strings. (Well a bit dramatic, but not far from the truth.)

Also the snitches that move in beside us, some are there just to piss you off, they want to keep you awake, if they can get you to flip out, it’s justification for these programs to keep running. You can flip back to my post called hypothetical.

There are two sides to every story, but in this case there might be three. Our side, the Informants side, and then the big picture, the side those in charge see. The side that has to ensure justification for these programs and therefore funding for them.

I hope I have given both set’s of readers some insight into the side that they don’t see.

September 18, 2008 Posted by | Bullying, Citizen Informants, Civilian Spies, Community harassment, community mobbing, community policing, crazy, driving-crazy, Electronic harassment, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking, government corruption, harassment, Insane, Kilmeer Gill, Laws, mobbing, one handed signals, paranoid, Police Abuse, Police Corruption, Politics, psychological harassment, School Shooting, sign language, Snitches, Spying, Surveillence, Targeted Individual, workplace mobbing | , | 1 Comment

Don’t play the game.

The last year and a half has taught me many things about being a target offline and online.
Finding out that the world is nothing like what you grew up believing it to be has been a real eye opener. Democracy is an illusion. Democratic countries use covert war tactics to keep the domestic populations in line. These tactics range in brutality and there ability to simply disable a threat to outright elimination.

These tactics are nothing new and have been a part of the system since the system was in place. Be it using Red Squads on new immigrant populations to infiltrate, or to destroying certain unruly elements. Civilian Informants have always been around, and I am guessing that they always will that’s the disturbing part. Each unruly element then becomes integrated into this system. Some countries rule as outright dictatorships, their brutality is obvious and overt, other countries are not so obvious. They enslave their populations and control them in other ways. They use the citizens of the state to be the eyes and ears of the state. They use the citizens to control their unruly elements, to infiltrate, betray and destroy.

Anonymity. When I first came online, and finally found out about Gang Stalking, I tried to make contact with many of the Gang Stalking Groups. I have always been fairly anonymous online and that remained. The first thing I noticed about many of these individuals is that they wanted to know who I was, where I was from, my full name, etc. Most of this information was never provided. What they used to try to garner this information was a guilt trip. How can we trust you if we don’t know who you are? We have lot’s of perps trying to infiltrate us, if we don’t know who you are how can we trust you? We have nothing to hide, what are you trying to hide. These arguments in some degrees made sense, but what I would later discover is that these people would try to use city, and any other information to figure out who you were as a target, and then if you had a sensitivity they would try to use that as they further tried to psychologically put you off.

I believe if you are a target, you never have to share your identity with anyone. If you are going to be doing activism offline, this changes ofcourse, but offline you can be as open or as anonymous as you choose to be, and don’t let anyone tell you differently. A real target has plenty to hide, as far as safety is concerned offline and online. That is not to say that we should be hiding, but each target must decide their degree of comfort with revealing details about themselves.

The other thing I discovered online is that depending on what people thought my gender was, the early conversations and discussions changed. When I first came online, I still did not know a lot about Gang Stalking, that’s an understatement. I knew nothing about Cointelpro, had never heard of Red Squads, etc. What I did know, I tried to use in discussions and on forums with others to try to bring awareness about what was happening, in the hopes of getting this stopped. At the time I still believed that we were looking at something that was easily manageable via education and awareness.

I found that on forums if people thought that I was male and I was holding my own or winning via a debate on Gang Stalking, the persons that I was debating with would then go for personal attacks, these personal attacks usually tried to focus on maybe I was some sort of pervert, a pedophile or even sexual harasser of some kind. If you can’t win the debate then attack the person you are debating with, or their character. I found on other forums it was the same, if assumed I was male/female and the discussions were going in my favor, the personal insults would change based on the gender that they thought I was at the time, or gender I said I was at the time.

I find that on forums where I am perceived to be female, if I am around people who choose to use personal attacks, or character assassinations they tend to be more gender based, I find that you get a great deal of sexually explicit comments, or things that try to assassinate your character making you seem slanderous, almost deserving of the treatment. I also find that on forums where I am perceived to be female vs male, the personal attacks also quickly go towards, mental competency more quickly.

I find that on forums where I am perceived to be male, that if personal attacks are to be used they still center around trying to make it look as if you are some sort of pervert, character assassination of mental competency is also used, but not as readily in debates. These are some of the differences that I have discovered along the way.

Ofcourse online you can be just about anything you want to be. On one of my favorite forums I discovered I am a pixel on a screen. Neither male, more female, neither Asian, European, African, Spanish, neither gay nor straight, just a pixel on a screen. The interesting thing about the online world is you can literally be anything, and anyone you choose to be. I find that in the last year and a half, I have learnt a lot about how people treat you depending on the perception that you choose to let them believe, or give them about yourself. In reality online you really are nothing more than a pixel on a screen if you choose to be.

That is not to say that you still do not have to be careful with character assassinations, or critical personal attacks. You will find online, just as offline, the idea is to same, ruin the targets credibility where you can. Paint the target to be someone or something undesirable, someone deserving of their treatment and targeting. Offline this can put you in physical danger, and online this can put you in danger of a different sort. I think on online we still have to be very cognisant of this fact if we are going to be posting on forums and trying to bring awareness to the things that Targeted Individuals go through.

The nice thing about being online is I can honestly say that I like about 99% of the people that I have met and interacted with. Early I had a few negative run in’s. Also I had threads deleted, when I did win debates or was able to trap Perps as I was calling them at the time, into slipping up. Eg. I once had a Civilian Spy pm me, with personal info about a website that I ran, that they could not have known about because the website had not been made public. The pm’s were deleted in a matter of seconds of me pointing this out. I did save a copy however of at least one pm, but things like this were common in the initial months. Since then my online interactions have been extremely positive. Then there is that 1% of the online population that I have to remember my own rule with. Just don’t play the game. There is one popular forum that I find the majority of people are pretty decent to associate with, and then there are specific elements that still after a year and a half, are deeply intent on slander, and character assassinations. This would not be a problem, except a lot has changed within the last year and a half. As cute as these were a year a half ago, they are no longer cute. They certainly do not further the cause of Gang Stalking, and in fact serve to ruin what some have worked hard for. Ofcourse that is the idea, realising that, I do try to remember my own rule and just don’t play that game. This at times will mean just walking away.

I have had to learn to do this offline, so I am pretty well versed on this. I have had Civilian Spies, try to provoke me, and set me up in a variety of ways. Even before I knew what Gang Stalking was, I realised that sometimes you just have to walk away. There are times in the past that I have been tempted or provoked to physically removing the provocation from my path, I don’t regret any of those times, or actions that I have taken, but looking back and knowing what I know now. I can see that these people were being used to set me up so that who ever was observing me, would be able to say, yes it was an unprovoked reaction to something innoculate, or unprovoked, when in reality you are consistently being provoked, and people are consistently observing, looking for just a reaction. The same is true online, finding out what makes the target tick.

A year and a half ago I think I was more willing to play the game and put up with character assassinations, insults, slander, because nothing was as important as getting information out about Gang Stalking. A year and a half later however, things are different. The research that I have done has taken endless days, evenings, weekends, it’s consumed most of my free time. The phone calls to lawyers, police, advocates, other institutions, private investigators, community workers, etc, the semi-undercover interactions with the Suburban Spies, has taken a lot of time. I have put most in not all of my free time over the last year and a half into finding out what is really behind Gang Stalking. As we can see, character assassination online can be just as dangerous and damaging as they can be offline. We know that in Korea, China, cyber violence is so prevalent that 1 in 10 of the population is affected by this. This is similar to online mobbing, but it often escalates to offline community harassment. In the last few days I have had to relearn a lesson that I thought I already knew, and that is to just not play the game.

I like 99% of the people that I interact with online, then there is that 1% element who do nothing, but try to destroy people’s reputations with slander and character assassinations. At those times you just have to remember to not play the game. You also have to remember that it does not help the cause that you are fighting for, in fact you put yourself at risk of doing just the opposite, and if you care about what you are doing at all, then at those times you just have to remember to just walk away and just don’t play the game. As a Targeted Individual it does come with the territory and just like offline it’s good to be cognizant of this, and govern yourself accordingly, when possible. I know we are all human and it’s easy to fall into this trap, but avoid it when you can.

Going forward, can we ever really hope to change what is happening in society? Democratic countries do the same if not worst than what other countries do. Much of the populous in democratic countries are complacent with and to a degree or aware of what is happening. Much of the populous in democratic countries in someway shape of form are aware of, and are parts of the system and are fully aware and going along with what is happening to some degree. These types of behaviors are not new or uncommon, and this is how the state commonly deals with dissidence. The only thing is most of us think of dissidence as marching at rallies, and being outspoken at marches. Most do not think of dissidence as whistle-blowing, writing and unpopular news article, or standing up for yourself at work against a big corporation, unfortunately the people that rule this world see it quite differently. Controlling dissidence means preventing the rise of another Messiah that could electrify the masses. It means identifying these elements early, in all their variations and dealing with them accordingly.

The last year for me has meant joining in, but staying separate. Over the last year I started with a website that was 100% open to the public, to a website that is open for reading and forwarding information only. I think had I left the format open the way I had initially intended I would have been distracted from my research. The elements that usually join these forums are not there for anything constructive, real targets are often lost in the cross fire, and it does not help. I find for me, researching on my own has been the most effective thing that I could do. I also find that if you visit some forums, you can look back a year and a half ago and realise that they are the exact place that they were. Nothing ever changes and no progress is ever made, and it’s intended to be just like that. The same with many offline movements. You are meant to feel like things are progressing, but much like the forums, things don’t really change that much.

Though I am doing what I can, life is still a struggle at time. I try to remember that you can not let yourself get isolated, you do have to try to keep in touch with some people, keep people updated on what is happening. Activism does help. I find that if I was not doing what I am doing, things would be 20 times worst. Being aware of what to expect saved me from getting sensitised to other things. Eg. When the electronic harassment first started, they would burn me almost 24/7 in my home, and try to sensitize me to loud power tools, drilling. Being aware that this possibility existed, I was able to psychologically not let myself get attached and not form a negative association. This really helped a great deal just being aware, and I was able to avoid that trap.

Offline some people are scared. The ones that do realise what this system is do not want to go against it. They will not discuss this in many instances. More people in society are Citizen Informants than I could ever dream of even imagine. People close to me, co-workers, stores that I enter. We probably have as high, or higher percentage of Citizen Informants in the city where I am, than East Germany did. Which is pretty messed up for a democratic country.

I read a report yesterday from someone who has travelled to many European countries, he reports that some countries are worst than others. So again the concentration of Civilian Informants will probably differ depending on where you are, what I am seeing and witnessing here is large scale.

Going forward what is the best approach? Some people think that open revolution is the best approach. I think that revolution starts in the mind. People who are controlled and attached to a system of conformity would be better freeing their minds first, before anything else. Once the mind is free then anything else is possible. I think if you have a revolution and have the same mentality you had before this all began, then you will be right back where you started from. I remember recently reading about a slave that had just been recently freed from the still thriving slave industry. This slave was freed physically, but he could not conceptualise freedom, and so he stayed with his master, and eventually agreed to become a bondsman again. It’s like the baby elephant. You restrain a baby elephant with a really strong restraint, it tries to pull and pull and get free, eventually it learns that it can not, be free by tugging on the restraint. Eventually it stops trying and then you can restrain a 1000+ pound elephant with a restraint that can not really hold it in most cases, because it’s mind has been bound. Free your mind and the rest will follow is how the saying goes. I think that is true in a lot of cases. From what I am seeing, people offline are still just comfortable enough. Some do realise what is happening, but if they are not being whipped physically, many will not risk rocking the boat. Why should they, they would loose out on the MTV, Myspace, what is the celebrity of the week is doing. You know the things that really matter in this world.

A year and a half later, I am more aware of the situation than I have been before. I have come closer to a place of acceptance than I have been before, but I am still a long way off. The problem is more encompassing than I realised, but that still does not mean that there can not be a solution, however part of that acceptance is realising that the world has always been like this, and is likely to continue to be like this, unless some cataclysmic force intervenes, or human society raises their consciousness to a higher degree.

At this time I see a world slowly in some ways, but in others rapidly moving towards a one world government, a global society, where the population are educated, think, and act the same way, with every-one’s loyalty being to the State, and not to each other, not like we have known it in the formerly traditional ways of the world. People are comfortable with this brave new world that they live in. They like the advantages that it affords them. It does not require a high degree of morality, in fact it requires just the opposite of that. It does not require, bravery, chivalry, loyalty, honesty, in fact the opposite works best. In does not ask for faithfulness to anything but the state, you can not trust anything or anyone in most cases. Like attracts like. People are comfortable being around their own kind. If the people running the world are of the immoral or the corrupt then they will advance their own kind, and that is what you will find at the helms of institutions, and other centers of power, all the way up and down the line.

We are not the first societies to ever deal with these happenings, we will not be the last. The power is with the people. There will always be more of us than there are of them. If we remained loyal and true to each other then yes we could have the potential to defeat this system, but this system knows that and has us all in constant states of fear, mistrust, and disloyalty. 1984 has come upon us in subtle ways. It’s not just about staying alive, but staying human, and yet many of us will betray each other the same way the characters betrayed each other in the book. The State counts on this one true aspect of human nature.

Is there really any hope? There is always hope, that is one thing that is so good about human nature. There is always hope, even in the deepest darkness, the worst fathomless pit there is always hope. I find that the targets I meet, many of them have a profound faith in God, or a higher power, or something outside of themselves. I wonder if that does not go a long way sometimes toward being singled out. The highly moral, the ones that can not be easily corrupted, conformed, or controlled. You probably fit a personality type that you are probably not even aware of. It’s a blessing and a curse, but it’s probably a large part of what brought you here. I don’t always like the situation that I am in, but I know that if I have a choice to be on this side of the fence then this is where I would choose to be. I don’t like being burnt in my home, I don’t like the things that come with my targeting, the tactics that are being used to destroy my life, even the knowledge that the ultimate goal of this is to destroy me, but I would rather be on this side of the fence, than the side of the fence that could torture innocent children while they sleep in their home. That could harass men and woman and torture them in their homes. That could destroy women and men and ruin their reputations and lives. That could send innocent people to their deaths via suicide. That could see innocent people falsely institutionalised. That could cause innocent people to snap and mass kill others. I don’t always like this side of the fence, but I know it has to be better than the other side of the fence. So I carry on. I know that it doesn’t seem pleasant now, but I know this has built character, it’s helped me to become more of the person I was always going to be, always wanted to be. As strange as this sounds, the events of the last year and a half, have helped me on my path to becoming who I was meant to be. This journey though unplanned to my conscious mind, was probably always going to happen in one capacity or another.

This time has been unpleasant, painful (electronic torture is just not what it use to be), psychologically testing, but it’s helped me to be stronger on so many levels. It’s challenged me, almost daily. I realise just how useless hate is. It’s a wasteful emotion and it does not accomplish what needs to be accomplished. For me I read the bible a lot when I was younger, but it’s really given me a lot of perspective as far as many of the lessons, psalms or proverbs. I see that others have been though similar experiences, where is seemed like the world had become evil, and my faith keeps me going, as I am sure it does many other targets. I now have a better understanding of Nazi Germany and how people can turn on each other and betray each other. It comes on so slowly you almost don’t see it coming, but by the grace of God, or whatever power out there that like’s me, I was one of the lucky ones. I do consider myself to be lucky, because I spent so many years not knowing what was happening, knowing something was not right, and just before this could fully consume me, I was able to find out what this thing was, well to a certain degree. That does not mean that it’s made this evil time any better in anyway, but having an understanding is like a weapon unto itself.

I am grateful for this and when I look at the alternatives, or the targets that never got the chance to realise the evil that was upon them till it was too late, i do consider myself lucky. I might not win, but I at least have a fighting chance, many others did not. I also have the opportunity of helping others. I don’t have to sit back and passively take what is happening to me. I can share what I am going through, I can make the path easier for others who are going through the same thing. This is something that I can do and am happy to do it. This as most targets know is one of the most productive things we can do. Any sort of activism really helps you find your center and is a good source of strength.

Looking forward, I am hearing about targets that have been going through this for 10 years, 20 years, etc. Targets of Cointelpro have been hunted down since the 70’s and just because the government said that Cointelpro had ended the populas believed them. There are many targets of Cointelpro still in jail, murdered by the state. There organisations destroyed, personal lives disrupted and ruined. That is how the state then and now deals with dissidence, but even though the world is aware of this, and has seen this, it has not stopped this. People still hold onto the belief that if they just stay within the lines, nothing like this could ever happen to them. That is a mistake, but most people will not believe it unless it happens to them, and even then most would rather not believe the truth.

Going forwad what we can do is hope to light our own individual candles, and share that light with others, if enough lights shine forth in this darkness at the same time, then maybe we can bring about a change, at the very least we will be able to provide each other with some comfort within this darkness that has come over us again in this time.

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Past, present, future.

How would you know if someone was changing time? What is time?

Some scientist believe that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, and so therefore you might not be able to change time. Many believe that it’s linear, with past, present, future, going in a line, happening at different times.

Others believe that past, present, future are all the same, and therefore they happen simultaneously.

Someone posted this wonderful link that deals with some of the new discoveries in Quantum Physics and I think it’s an interesting find.

The above experiments are simply explained with some flash presentations. They talk about wave patterns. How a beam of light is able to go though a slit of paper as a beam, but then though 2 slits as a wave. Meaning that the beam has to pass through both slots simultaneously.

The further experiments go on to explain that this wave pattern can be measured but only if not observed, meaning that when observed the wave pattern disappears and the beam does not seem to have gone though both slots at once thus making a wave pattern, when it’s not observed however the wave patter comes back. Almost as if it knows it’s being observed.

Also past present and future don’t seem to have an impact, the results simply will change based on observation.

Not sure how well I explained it, but if you watch the flash presentations, they are fascinating.

It got me thinking about a lot of things, including all those psi experiments in the lab. I know from classes I have taken, that if the experimenter was a none believer in the psi phenomenon the results were often less than stellar, and if they were a believer the results were often above stellar.

I often wondered if the belief of the observer, had any impact on those experiments, I often believed it would be the case, but proof was another thing. I think this brings it in closer, that observation might affect some things, since psi experiments might fall into these realms, could not the very expectations of the observer be changing the results, and if that is the case how will they ever get true results doing it the scientific way we have in place now? Just a thought.

Anyways the other thing it got me thinking about is past, present and future and if they are happening all at once, and if you did change them then how would you know?

How would you know that something had changed? I mean if time is not linear, and you can change things, there would be no memory that something had changed, no knowledge. What if someone was missing from the time-line, ofcourse they would not be missing would they, or would they? How would history be changed? Really we would just not know, because it would just create a new parallel reality, without any recollection of the other, well without almost any recollection of the other. Everyone would just think that’s how things always were. I don’t think anyone would know that things had changed.

If past present and future are not dependent on the laws that we know now, if things such as that could also be changed or reshaped, what if it’s all in the eye of the beholder or observer? Just like what was happening with the wave pattern. A little over simplified perhaps, but that’s where my thoughts were going.

I think my thoughts went there once again, because I am wondering how do you know the impact of removing someone(s) from the timeline?

Eg. I always remember the girls that died when the Amish school shooting happened.

Naomi Rose Ebersole, 7; Anna Mae Stoltzfus, 12; Marian Fisher, 13; Mary Liz Miller, 8; and her sister Lena Miller, 7.

It’s weird, but I always think that it changed history in some way. I always feel that one or more of these individuals were going to have a huge impact on the future, or already had? Not sure if that’s the word for it. There is just sort of a morphic emptiness. It’s one of those weird things that’s hard to explain.

I always wonder what if you could change the future, by removing certain people from the past, how would you know. There would be no trace, no proof, but would there be some kind of anomaly, or a sense that something was wrong or missing? Would that be the only sense that something was wrong with the world if you could do that?

Ever since it happened, I have always felt that one or more of them should have been on the timeline somehow. It’s weird. It’s like if a tree falls in the forest does anyone hear it, the answer for that one that I always liked, is that it’s the emptiness that it leaves behind when it’s gone, that’s the sound it makes. I wonder if the same is true with humans?

It’s not like a splinter in my brain, but it’s like this feeling that something just wasn’t right, like something is missing. I have always felt that way about this event, and yet never known why. I always wondered what the impact one or more of these girls would have had? What would they have done? What were they meant to do? What had they done? How had they impacted the timeline? If you could go back and change the past, what impact would removing them have had? The only answer ever is this emptiness, which does not feel right.

It’s one of the only events that ever makes me feel that way, and it’s odd, but there it is.

Anyways just some thoughts about somethings that I normally would not blog about, but just thought I would share.

February 24, 2008 Posted by | Amish, future, Marian Fisher, Naomi Ebersole, past, present, Quantum Physics, School Shooting, time travel | Leave a comment