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Gang Stalking Initiatives

A poster wrote in to clarify my opinion as to why I distance myself from some Gang Stalking initiavites. He asked me specifically about Ms. White and here is my response.

Ms White does several things that I am personally not in accord with.

She focuses on the Stalking aspect of Gang Stalking. Nothing wrong with that, but the few times I have come across her initiatives she has focused on linking this primarily to stalking and changing those laws. Nothing wrong with that, but I don’t believe this will change what is happening to Gang Stalking targets. Changing stalking laws will not change community notifications if that is what we are looking at. You have to name it if you are going to claim it.

I have always focused on the mobbing aspect of this harassment and focusing on the stalking aspect in my opinion is going to be less effective. I have from the start believed that mobbing and the way mobbing targets emotionally act out, best corrolates to the Gang Stalking movement.

Ms White has often criticized websites as bad sites, poison sites, etc, for linking the Gang Stalking harassment to government and state initiatives. That fine, yet other sites seem to get a pass for doing the same thing, and she manages to keep them off her credibility review websites. Ms White has continued to advocate Terrorist Stalking in America, a book that links Gang Stalking first to Stalking crews then to terrorists. She is always asking for proof, when someone mentions the government, yet never has the same issue with openly advocating something that even in her words has a wrong conclusion. She should be also screaming for proof on the Terrorist Stalking book but fails to. This seems to be a double standard that she has. I would love to see the book on her credibility review site, which I feel she covertly uses to attack others, under the guise of these reviews, but she is allowed to do what she wants to.

Ms White in my opinion often leads targets in directions that I do not often agree with. I think her site has loads of useful and valuable information, but when new targets come online, I just need it to be very clear that I am not affiliated with many of her initiatives. All too often they think that all sites share the same opinions and we often do not. In distancing myself from her initiatives, I hope to move targets in more useful directions. Get them more streamlined with things that might help them.

I have been on Eleanor’s forum, things always seem to move forward, but nothing ever seems to actually get done, but she conducts them very professionally. I just feel that we often disagree in various ways and I just like that to be made clear.

The FFCHS site is currently working with John Hall and a politician on laws that I don’t think will fix the problems in the Gang Stalking community. John Hall if focusing on Satalights, which is fine, but to get to the heart of the problem, I think the local initiatives like community notifications need to be addressed. They are getting good press and it feels like things are happening, like things are going forward, but like the time they got targets to write in with information about a multiple lawsuit, I don’t think this will work any better. Thus I don’t want targets linking the two, and thinking that we all share the same ideas. Thus even when laws get passed the angle that is being taken I don’t feel will move things along the way that they need to go, in the direction that they need to go in. That is why I personally have chosen to distance myself from the direction that those initiatives have moved in.

I also had a discussion with a lawyer, who blasted all the Gang Stalking sites, and I asked why? It was because he had a disagreement with FFCHS and possibly Eleanor and thus he wrote off all the Gang Stalking sites. This really opened my eyes, and I didn’t think that was fair. So thus now, it’s made very clear that not all Gang Stalking sites share the same views. Thus if I do an initiative that they don’t agree with, they are not linked and visa versa.

I also have distanced myself from a poster who suggests that targets write a wild Freedom Of Information Act request. I do agree and fully support Freedom Of Information Act requests. I don’t support what was being suggested. Everytime certain fractions and their so called authority are challenged, character assassinations begin by their members, and those affiliated with those movements, they have a consistent habit of doing so, and thus one more reason I often choose to disassociate. Very simple really.

Lastly those fractions prefer to call this Organized Stalking, and sometime ago, I had to really fight to keep the term Gang Stalking after Eleanor decided that Organized Stalking was the term to use. She tried to have the term annexed after four years of really hard work to get the term popularized, in favor of a term most that is not as popular and would have set the movement back. Again at that time, I had to have unneeded character assassinations from some of their members, website attacks, which always happens when openly disagreeing with them. So now I am just very clear about which direction I am going in and which direction they are going in.

Some see this distancing as attacks on those sites, but it’s really just to ensure my initiatives do not affect them, and visa versa.

I hope this answers your question.

April 30, 2010 Posted by | Citizen Informants, community mobbing, Conspiracy, control, Controlled society, Cults, Electronic harassment, Entrapment, Gang Stalking, harassment, society, Stalking, Targeted Individual | , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments

Credibility reviews and terms

I think someone needed a little bit of free publicity so here it is. Eleanor White dropped by one of my blogs and left a comment. This post is in response to the comment that was left. I don’t want to spend too much time on this, but as I said before, I felt this issue had gone on long enough and recently choose to intervene.

[quote]I’m sorry the author of the “gang” stalking web sites and e-book can’t seem to grasp why I object to the term “gang” stalking.  I thought my reviews explained that pretty clearly.[/quote]

Eleanor, I appreciate that you, object to the use of the term. I appreciate that you and those working towards the same goal as you, want to have people discontinue the use of the term Gang Stalking.

I disagree with this. I think if you and yours wish to use the term, then please use the term for your activism. You are deterring the efforts of others, others who have had success with the term.

I have pointed out that some use the term Community Mobbing, Community Harassment, and several others to describe the same thing, and I think that is fine, as long as they get the correct message across to the audience.

[quote]I’ve been an activist for 13 years, and during three of those years, I spent some time almost every day right out in the street, discussing the crime of organized stalking and electronic harassment with the public.[/quote]

That’s great Eleanor, I have spent just under three years and I have been using the term Gang Stalking, and that has worked just fine for me and several others. If this term does not work for you, then I appreciate this. However by telling others that the preferred term is Organised Stalking, you are interfering with the rights of others to use the terms they prefer. I have now seen others on the Internet telling others that they have to use Organised Stalking now, and that is not correct or accurate.

If this is the term you prefer, then great. I think it’s wonderful that you and some of yours wish to use the term. I think that there is more than enough room in the Targeted Individual community for a variety of terms.

[quote]I tried a number of terms.  Other anti-OS activists have also tried a number of terms.

With “gang” stalking, I found that the mind of my listener immediately and consistently got the image that I was talking about being stalked by some sort of ordinary gang, such as race gang, youth gang, biker gang, or Mafia.[/quote]

Great Eleanor, I don’t know what your demographics are, and I don’t know who you come across in your activism.
Eg. Someone coming across someone from the Cointelpro era might wish to use that term. Someone coming across a demographic that is riddled with the stop snitching, informant culture, might wish to use another term, and coming across people from Eastern Europe, I find reference to Stasi to work a bit better.
I encounter a lot of younger people, I also encounter a lot of cultural diversity and I use the term that best suits the situation. Not every term will work for every person, so I use what’s appropriate and make sure that the right concept is getting across. I adapt to the situation and that works for me, because of who I am.

Maybe organised stalking worked for you, because of who you were and the types of people that you came across.

[quote]That is clearly the WRONG picture of current day organized stalking groups.[/quote]

The way you do it, yes. But for some of the demographics that I reach it’s not. There are people that like the slang Gang Stalking, and it works with some demographics. The ones that will get this culturally accepted as other methods have not worked as well. So why not work all angles? What’s the reason for trying to get rid of the term that has been a success for three years, and starting from scratch. It’s the same as if we tried to get rid of the term Targeted Individuals, it would just destroy those efforts.

[quote]I have tried “vigilante stalking” too.  That worked to some degree, but didn’t seem to paint a really clear picture in the minds of my listeners.[/quote]

Again Eleanor it’s how you present it, and who is presenting it. It’s all based on who the activist is, and the demographics that you try to reach, what works for one, does not work for another. If you look across the net, the term has reach a variety of groups, they are familiar with the term and they use it. I refuse to see that effort killed because you have a preferred term.

I have a preferred goal of getting this exposed, and I think using whatever terms work, to get the concept across. I could not use the term vigilante stalking with a straight face, because I hate the term, add all the false disinformation bs that goes with it. Another person whoever could use the term with no discomfort and probably over 85-95% success rate.

I say give them a bunch of terms. Having reviewed discussions about this, and the conversations people get up to, I see some refer to it as Cointelpro again, others as Stasi, let people use what they want to use, as long as the end message is the same, more or less and the concept get’s across, because exposure is the key.

In the modern day world Eleanor, it’s not the up to down effect that get terms introduced into society, it’s often the other way around. The terms start at a ground level, or urban level, gain popularity and go from there, that is the trend I am seeing with other terms and concepts that have become popularised and mainstream, and that is the angle that I am using.

Please don’t take this the wrong way Eleanor. You tend to be very old fashioned about certain things, and I like to take a modern approach, look for new ways to get things done, to reach and work with a modern audience. I like to use those methods and concepts, that works for me, and some others like me. This might not work for you, that’s fine.

[quote]Then Lynn Troxel originated “organized” stalking.  By FAR, that term brings the unaware listener to an accurate picture of the crime of OS, and does so quickly.[/quote]

It does not however. When I sought help, the terms and concept that worked best was community mobbing, because people have an idea of what mobbing is, and by saying it happens in the community, they got that. The same was true when I sought help at the other websites. Two of the mobbing sites based on the description I gave, immediately decided to add links to Gang Stalking websites, I emailed about 10-15 stalking sites, and they did not see the relevance to what happens to them. Think about that, those activists did not see the relevance or significance.

[quote]In the effort to first educate the public, and eventually get the crime stopped, I feel the term which creates an accurate picture of the crime, and does so quickly, is quite important to find and use.  The unaware public is not interested in taking on “another headache” or another worry, and doesn’t give anti-OS activists much in the way of attention span.  Often just seconds.[/quote]

I think if you use the most accurate term and do not add the appropriate information this does no good. I have spoken to you before about the continued effort of letting people think this is vigilantes, or right wing extremists behind this, but you keep pushing David Lawson. Oddly enough.

[quote]This is why I speak out against “gang” stalking and promote “organized” stalking.  Nothing more mysterious than that.[/quote]

I don’t know if I believe that, but it does not matter. The point is what you and the others associated with this effort are doing is killing other efforts that have gone before. Where to really have maximum effectiveness, people should have a variety of terms at their arsenal to help with getting this exposed. Many hate the term organized stalking, and do not feel that it truly expresses what is happening to them. The stalking term vs the mobbing term for example. They don’t feel that stalking even comes close to describing what is happening, and it takes the attention away from the meat and potatoes. I let people use what they want. I want to train people up to do their own thing, not be told what to do, and use. I do agree that uniformity is nice to have in some quarters, but I fully disagree in this one.

[quote]I also object to activism materials that state government is doing the stalking.  We do not have evidence, as of today, which proves that.  Such claims are part of the e-book “Bridging the Gap.”[/quote]

Oddly enough, you were happy to support David Lawson and unsubstantiated claims of vigilante stalking, but you have a problem with this. You never had more than David Lawson claiming this was done by vigilante gangs, but you never objecting to misleading people down this path, but with so much proof that government is doing this you object.

We have Tim Rice telling us that they were doing 24/7 surveillance on Journalist and others.

We have the ACLU telling us about Fusion centers and what they are doing, and about people being put under investigations. That these people will be communicating in code.

We have a billion and one articles from the Uk press telling us about the covert surveillance that individuals are being placed under, and the tactics being used, which match ours in many cases.

I have posted a passage from a police training manual about how to handle informants, and the book even says that they use a one handed sign language.

Bob the lawyer some of you all hired has said this. The success that people have had with court cases mostly involve going after the government. I speak of Donald Friedman and the FOIA released, and Jesus Medoza and what he heard back from his case, that he has blogged about.

Not to mention the book the Buzzsaw, which show how journalist go through something similar.

Plus the history of Cointelpro and the Stasi.

With all this you were willing to put forward and support a theory and book, that had the potential to get targets in trouble, but you object to hard information.

The ebook in question, just like the hiddenevil.com, have you had a chance to review that site? http:www.TheHiddenEvil.com let me know what you think. You must have just been sleeping, and missed this site.
Have evidence to show that the government could be behind this.

I think the ebook in question that you are referring to, asks the question of why would the government do this to their own citizens, and the book answers the question. Do you want books, and material looking at the issue of Gang Stalking to leave this stuff out? That does not sound right to make. I get that you making unfounded accusations is not good, but that is not the case. The books back up their theories with current research. Including research from the ACLU on modern fusion centers.

[quote]There is nothing hidden or nefarious in my credibility reviews on:[/quote]

When I fist say you and Kelly discussing this I thought oh my gosh, witch hunt. I left it as it was. I wondered how long it would be till my site and other legit sites made the witch hunt, but I left it as it was, because I knew it was coming, but I hoped the community would be smarter than that.

Those reviews are again, your opinion of what you think is good and bad, and you want others to mindlessly agree to this without thinking.

As per the email I sent you, requesting you remove my site, because I did not appreciate it there. I did not think that you had the right to label my site bogus, because you do not like alphabetical order. I did send you an email and you said if I changed the order of my listing, I might get approved, well you know what I think of that?

You are putting sites there for minor things, so instead of going after the people, these so called credibility reports allow you to go after their sites, which amounts to the same thing. You go after their sites, and then it’s all done under the guise of what’s best for the community. I really do care about this, because it’s my life, and I do need to get this stopped. Joining the dark side is not an option for me.

Case in point. I will use my site but I think there are a few others on their that should not be there.

The so called credibility review says:

Eleanor White rating:  BOGUS  (trivializes the crime)
November 21, 2008

[quote]WEB SITE:  http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Techniques.html

SITE TITLE:  Gang Stalking World

EW: This well-executed web site rates a BOGUS because it
misleads the visitor from the public into believing that
targets of organized stalking and electronic harassment are worrying about things that are trivial and not serious, and in fact common occurrences of every day life.[/quote]

The site misleads the visitors in what capacity? This is not the front page of the site, which is what people see.
Second of all, the page is in alphabetical order, because some of us who do research like it that way.

If this is your reason for calling a site bogus, how much good are these reviews actually doing for this community? Honestly, they are targeting some good sites, that could help people for minor things, which I believed was going to be the case all along.

[quote]Next notice the very first, most prominent technique this site describes.  The first item is presumably the one that causes targets of organized stalking the most grief. It is listed as “Air Stalking.”  In other words, the site cries out against aircraft stalking targets on the ground!

That concern literally shouts “paranoia” to the world.[/quote]

No really Eleanor to the educated public who can think for themselves, this shouts alphabetical order, and I wont be changing this for anyone.

Oh yeah, the other thing about these so called credibitlity reviews when you and Kelly first cooked them up was that you were going to be reviewing specific pages or sections to say what could be impoved, or why it was or was not good, instead you have used the oppertunity to use the reviews to discredit websites in whole.

Youre reviews are not saying, I don’t like websitex.com because of this page or this section, you are targeting the whole website, by picking one little section.

Eg. You primarily are picking on the techniques page for Gang Stalking World, and a picture or something, but using this to declear the whole site as bogus, notice the word you choose to use? Not Eleanor disapproves, but bogus, making people think the site has no credibility, which is not the case. It’s just like if I did this, but used the word fraud, to describe some of your websites.

If you really were interested in anything other than a witch hunt, you would have also used better words, and reviewed the pages and listed the pages specifically and not attacked the full site.

You on your website

I think the picture of the militia guy that you have on your site, just does not work for me, for various reasons. I also think the section about Terri Schindler, on your site would give people the wrong message. I know it gave me the wrong message when I first started looking for stuff that could help.

You also have things about people’s cats being tortured to death. Though I respect this, as part of the targeted individual community, are you kidding me, do you think a new site visitor might not think we are a little Lonnie for this?

I know when I first saw your site, no offense, but I was really put off, from your site and a couple of others, and stayed away from it for some time. I think your site has some good information, but you talk about giving the wrong impression. I am going to leave it at that, because I am not hear to bash your site.

If I like a site, I like to it and use that. I try to avoid bashing things, unless I think it will be detrimental to real targets, and then I take a stand.

I think if you have sites that you like, then create a website of good and approved information that you and yours can use. That’s what I do, there are so many YouTube videos that I know are not good, but I don’t attack those, the same way I don’t for the most part out agents. I just try to point people to good sites or material I think will help them.

[quote]My only purpose is to assist targets in selecting the best materials for the fight to expose and stop organized stalking.

E W

[/quote]

With all due respect Eleanor, I do not feel that you are doing this with your credibility reviews, and i definitely don’t feel that you are doing this with your members, telling people which terms they can use. It’s not cool, and it’s not right.

People should be able to use what they are comfortable with. This is very quickly becoming use the sites we say and the terms we say or be a pariah, and isn’t the point that people are already segregated in one way, why should their blogs, websites, and materials be also treated the same way?

I don’t think these are good, and when your members get called on this stuff, they accuse others of causing divisions in the community, but realistically, it’s these reviews and your members telling people which terms to use that are causing some of the problems.

I do appreciate you dropping by, at this moment there is nothing else that I feel a need to add to this conversation, if there is anything else that you would like to add, I will be happy to have you post it.

So that those interested in this discussion can read it, I will post it on the blogs.

gangstalking

*Free advertising to none credible sites removed.*

April 10, 2009 Posted by | activism, Awareness, buzzsaw, Citizen Informants, Civilian Spies, Cointelpro, community mobbing, control, Controlled society, dissident, East Germany, Electronic harassment, False Prophets, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 7 Comments

Follow Up’s

http://stormfront.org/forum/search.php?searchid=6763662

I was doing some more follow up on the Gang Stalking threads, I checked on the thread over at Stormfront. It’s an interesting thread. I keep track of several threads across the net. I was seeing who was still a part of the thread, if anyone had been banned, out of the targets, and if any new elements had introduced themselves. Is there an effort to introduce the term organized stalking to the community or to influence the thread?

It’s been one of the more interesting threads around. There seems to be a couple of people who are no longer a part of the forum, although I am not sure the reason they were banned, well I am not sure of the reason one was banned.

There is a new element that seems to have joined the forum for the express purpose of joining this thread, and the postings are pretty specific, it’s what I look for.

See it’s important to understand trends, and pay attention to things that are happening, again we have agenda’s being played out, and people do have to realise this, it affects every aspect of society.

I am also hoping that Pipers friend is out of the mental ward, but I am not holding my breath. No I don’t know these people personally, anymore than I know any others, but I worry about legit targets and their plights.

Paying attention to various threads, trends, gives me an idea of where we are, what’s happening to legit targets, what the other side is up to, and it helps me to try to understand what can be done if anything. I do believe something can be done, i have to believe that, but what do you do when you wake up and find yourself in a nightmare? Maybe nightmare is too strong a word, but what do you do, when you wake up and the world is not what you thought it was, how can you affect change for the better?

How can you get others to wake up? You can’t each must come to their own realisation in time. What you can do is you can provide as much legit information as possible about what is happening, and hope that they will wake up, but this is not an easy truth. Most people want to believe it’s not that bad, they want to believe that the government is going to save them, and that this system is just a few bad elements. People have to come to their understanding of this in their own time, and in their own way.

In the mean time you have to find ways to helps yourself, and then try to help others the best you can. I do believe knowledge is power, and having knowledge can help, but then what do you do? Try to find a way.

April 6, 2009 Posted by | Gang Stalking | , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Use what works for you

What is the correct term to use to describe what is happening in the Targeted Individual community?

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/gang-stalking/

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/the-witch-hunt/

Some would tell you that the only term that you can use is organised stalking, and if you use the term gang stalking that is bad.

I have addressed this before, but I am going to take the time to address it again because it’s important.

My primary feeling when doing activism is that you need to use the term that works for you. That’s my first recommendation.

There are many people who have been through the former East Germany, many who see what’s happening and use the term Stasi, or they refer constantly to East Germany and the situation there.

Other use the term Cointelpro to describe what’s happening now, and what has been happening to them. It’s like Cointelpro 2, so they use that term.

Some use the term organised stalking to describe what is happening, but this term in my opinion has never truly covered the full concept of what we are facing.

I have liked Community Mobbing because when I first tried to get members of the Stalking Community and the Mobbing community involved in helping us expose what was happening, the mobbing community understood right away, and were willing to help, the stalking community was not helpful at the time.

Snitching, this is a term I don’t think many in the TI community identify with, but after doing the research, this is my finding, those who were promoting the stop snitching message, we more aware of the problem that was ongoing in society with Informants than many Targeted Individuals were. The stop snitching movement as you may or may not realise has been demonized by those who would like to see the informant system continue as it as.

Which brings me to the so called deliberate desire by some to remove the term Gang Stalking and replace it with terms that do not fully describe what has happened to the Targeted Individual community, but to also destroy all the progress that has been made over the last 3-4 years using that term.

As I have stated before when a terms gains popularity and you try to replace it with a different term, there is a process of almost starting from scratch, this means all the previous efforts are almost wiped and the process has to begin again.

You loose ground and that is not good for any movement. The bogus reasons given is that too often using the term Gang Stalking puts people in mind of criminal gangs, but over the last three years, most no pretty much every article written on this subject that people can find in a major newspaper uses the term Gang Stalking, here is a list.

 
Are you crazy or are you being Gang Stalked?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter78.htm

Also a target herself.
http://www.shoestringradio.net/transcript35.txt

Shoestring Radio by Eleanor White herself. (exhibit B)

Welcome to show #35, recorded on July 14, 2006.

ROAD TO FREEDOM is a show by and about the targets of
electronically assisted vigilante or citizen gang stalking or organized stalking throughout the world.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/audio/2006/2006-GCN/02-2006-GCN/

February 2006 Szymanski Investigative Journal GCN mp3 archive
Sueann Campbell is a retired electronic technician who has been targeted for many years. She began working as an activist to expose citizen gang stalking and electronic harassment in 2000.

(Greg Szymanski) investigative reporter, and the shows he has covered, from what I can tell, used the term Gang Stalking, consistently, and the people tuning into the shows, don’t seem to have called him back with questions about street gangs.
http://www.mykawartha.com/news/article/2028

Follow-up Article on Gang Stalking
Allegation of gang stalking is again being investigated
Police probe re-opened after This Week story
May 19, 2006

Lance Anderson

City police have reopened an investigation into an allegation of gang stalking.

Sergeant Walter DiClemente says police received a complaint from a woman, sparking them to re-open the case.
Then we had the more recent articles in the New York Times, abc.com, and the Washington post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=By%20Sharon%20Weinberger&

The callers frequently refer to themselves as TIs, which is short for Targeted Individuals, and talk about V2K — the official military abbreviation stands for “voice to skull” and denotes weapons that beam voices or sounds into the head. In their esoteric lexicon, “gang stalking” refers to the belief that they are being followed and harassed: by neighbors, strangers or colleagues who are agents for the government.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13psych.html?pagewanted=all
Type “mind control” or “gang stalking” into Google, and Web sites appear that describe cases of persecution, both psychological and physical, related with the same minute details — red and white cars following victims, vandalism of their homes, snickering by those around them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/Story?id=6443988&page=1

Take the victims of gang stalking — a subculture of people who think their friends and neighbors are all secret government spies ready to turn them over to the authorities. The movement has recently spawned gang stalking support groups, forums and advice Web sites.
The mainstream papers have picked up the term, and local papers, and other sources, but suddenly there is a need to remove the term, and all traces of progress that have been made by using the term. More effective than other means that could have been employed to slow progress, but still the same outcome.
It’s more recently that I recall the full blown effort to eradicate the term Gang Stalking. It’s been played with, changing the name, and this and that, but it’s more recent surprisingly as progress was being made that the absolute need has come up to change the name.

I wonder since Gang Stalking is the term that has served the Targeted Individual community the best, if the real goal is to help the community and to not hinder it, and this really is about activism, why not do what has always been done, which is to present multiple terms?
Why the sudden need to put effort into eradicating the progress that has been made with using the a term that has become familiar to facebook groups, alternative forums, mainstream forums, main stream newspapers, and mainstream audiences at large? Why would you limit yourself this way if the real goal is to help the community and not to hurt it?

I say use what works for you, and stop letting those who might not or who just don’t have your best interest at heart, and the communities best interest at heart, tell you what to think, and use. I don’t think too many people use vigilante stalking anymore, thank God, but if someone did use the term, I would know what they were talking about, and that is the point is that we get the info out to as many people as we can.

There is enough room in the world for the use of the term Gang Stalking, Community Mobbing, Snitches, Stasi, Cointelpro, Organized Stalking, Vigilante Stalking, and a few others. Use what will get the concept across to the audience that you are dealing with, use what will help the community, but do not go along with those who do not have the communities best interests at heart, and eliminate terms, ideas or concepts that have served the community very well over the last few years.

That’s my take on what terms to use and to not use, use what works for you in getting the information across to your audience. Some terms will be better than others, but do not go along with witch hunts, and other efforts to destroy progress that has already been made.

April 5, 2009 Posted by | Community harassment, community mobbing, Conspiracy, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 4 Comments

Deconstructing David Lawson

http://terroriststalking.wordpress.com/

I have wanted to make this post for some time now. As many people in the Targeted Individual community may know, for several years, since 9/11 there has been a book that many targets have been referencing called Terrorist Stalking In America. The book first claimed that the stalking or harassment was being done by extremist groups.

Then just as quickly as David Lawson wrote the book, he seemed to go missing again. We were assured by some community leader that he was too busy and could not be interviewed, but a lot of things never made sense. When I started to do my own investigation into what was behind Gang Stalking, I started to learn ask even more questions.

If they were extremists how did he get out? He claims to have been in these stalking groups for several years, that he was one of them, that they are dangerous, and use intimidation methods to keep their members in line.

Anyways I recently came across a posting at who is a rat and I thought it would be nice to review the posting and go over it with my own interpretation.
I don’t know how many targets read this book, and went to the authorities talking about terrorist only to be institutionalised, or called the phone company to say that extremists were driving cable cars, or toss pop on cops, but I hope this interpretation will help future targets.

Anyways if you follow this link, you can read up on deconstructing David Lawson. 
http://terroriststalking.wordpress.com/

December 3, 2008 Posted by | Gang Stalking, harassment, Laws, Snitches, society, Stalking | , , , , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Gang Stalking

The term Gang Stalking. A few years ago when I came online I learnt about Harassment, Mobbing, and then Gang Stalking.

Two years ago when I first learnt about this stuff there was one website that was doing a lot to help and had some useful information.

The other terms for Gang Stalking at the time were also not very popular in the search engines. Vengeance Stalking, Organised Stalking, Cause Stalking, etc. There were all names that were not fitting and at the time google and other engines were giving the term Gang Stalking the most publicity. I also like the professional looking nature of one of the more useful sites online.

One of the things I did before starting my own Gang Stalking site was to network with other sites in the community. Not in the Gang Stalking community, but in the outer world, the place where we have to bring the gap.

Because of my work on getting things like Harassment and Bullying exposed, I had made friends with several other sites and asked if they would be kind enough to link to that specific Gang Stalking site. The friends from many of the other stalking sites did not identify with Gang Stalking at the time, which is understandable. Remember in the harsh client of a couple of years ago, just to mention of any term associated with Gang Stalking would get threads shut down, or attacks of you are crazy, etc. This has changed with hard work.

The members of the mobbing sites which I contacted, I think there were about 3 really good mobbing sites at the time that I was in touch with. Two of those sites readily identified with Gang Stalking and were kind enough to add the link to the gang stalking site, which I was still referencing to a couple of years ago.

Shortly after this I realised that things were going very slowly and that many of the sites seemed to be be doing the opposite of being helpful. At that time I was still on the forums, and you can really learn a lot of those, but there is a price at times to be paid.

One discussion that came up was should the name of the cause be changed or should a gradual shift be made to use something else. Since Gang Stalking might be confusing for some people. At the time I was still open to the idea and working with others to see if we could advance this as quickly as possible.

Any articles that came out about the subject matter at the time had gone under the term Gang Stalking. That includes the Lynn stuter article, Sharon Weinberger and a few others. Some were good articles others were not, but that was the spoken or unspoken agreed to term.

At the discussion which I was a part of I suggested if a name change should occur, community mobbing should be considered, because people were at the time finally starting to understand the concept of mobbing, how it worked, how it affected the targets, and many in that community had also committed suicide, or workplace shootings. As you will see in later research there is a reason for this strong correlation.

Anyways I asked the person who was running a popular forum at the time this question. How does a name change occur? I mean who get’s to decide if a movements name should get changed? Especially when we are a pretty disjointed movement. Just like tomorrow if we were calling each other Targeted Individuals and someone decided to change this, who get’s to decide? At the time there were several Gang Stalking sites, some hard to find, other impossible to find.

The person who is in my opinion looked upon as a community leader, said no one really decides this, we just discuss this and then start using the term and then take it from there. Really who get’s to decide since many of those sites are not part of the forum? Ah I guess only the members of that discussion and everyone else get’s left out.

I at this time decided that I really didn’t think this was a helpful course and decided to leave the term Gang Stalking as is. Those a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet, if Roses are known as Roses today and we start calling them stink weed tomorrow, it will be an adjustment for the public. Eg. Let’s try changing the name of Electronic harassment to shock wave syndrome, you basically almost have to begin from scratch and it wastes precious time in getting people readjusted to new terms and it does not move things forward, especially for activism online or offline.

The community really just needed education about what was happening. If proper content was used, in my two years online, people do understand the terms, and again with Gang Stalking citizen informants on forums fell into two, many three categories. The ones who automatically tried to discredit the thread as paranoid or crazy, and the ones who even after reading a thread still when, well I hate Gang’s anyways. Most of the general public that I tried to introduce information to, are quit capable of reviewing the information and understanding it.
It’s the same as Cointelpro or any other name.

I really do not think the people who invented the term expected Gang Stalking to catch on so quickly, or for the truth of the fact that this was being done by the government to get out. Remember these same persons that I spoke of in this article, till not too long ago, still had people chasing vigilante gangs, and I think many of us still would have been chasing those phantoms if we had not branched out on our own and started our own research.

So where does that leave everything? Where it’s always been. You have a movement that often have Citizen Informants or agents from what I have been told controlling some most aspects of the community. They have the share numeric capacity to control each other, and to control what get’s said, what get’s disseminated. Which terms become changes or moved around.

If they choose to go in a direction that is not helpful, you have to then stay on course. Remember for every step forward, they try to make sure it’s two steps back.

Most people that are new, will not understand or grasp this concept at first, or really will never grap it.

So the preferred term for me and for what is happening to me, and still for many others is Gang Stalking, if I ever leave off using this term. My second preferred term would clearly be community mobbing. Which two years ago was very helpful in getting others to understand what was happening to us, because they understood the term mobbing.

October 10, 2008 Posted by | Electronic harassment, Gang Stalking, mobbing, Stalking | , , , , , | 5 Comments