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Down with snitching clearified

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/down-with-the-snitching/
I blogged the above post really early in the morning and so not a good time for blogging, so I thought I would go over it, I made a lot of points and i want to make sure I did it correctly.

Construction projects.

Many targets complain about these, and in my personal experience, they use these projects as an excuse to help with the monitoring and surveillance of the area.

Sure there is always construction ongoing so how can we be sure it’s directed at us. I have lived several years on the planet, and there has often been construction ongoing, but never like this.

It’s not just construction at the last two locations that lasted for months or years on end, it’s going to interviews, and by the time you get out a little construction, or drilling in the street you are going to pass just springs up. It’s happened a few times, coincidence? A few times too many.

It happens for me and most other targets I know. As we are able to compare notes, this is a frequent theme that comes up, and they also see a pattern of extraordinary construction that has gone out of bounds.

Companies closing or change of owners.

This is another thing that I have noticed. Changes of owners. Let’s say you had a store where the family were not going along with the snitching, suddenly they are out of business, or the store ownership changes. The things that I have further noticed is that within this change, specific products that were available, that the store specialized in are not there. Which makes no sense.

Targets complain about stores being out of products they use when they get there, even if they go to other locations, the products are out of stock.

This sounds crazy at first, but it’s not. They watch and record everything that we buy. There is always someone behind us in the line, to mentally record the products the target purchased. They also watch what we take off the shelf, so they know if our diets change. They know which products to be out of, or if they can stop ordering all together.

In comparing notes amongst several targets, this is a pattern that they have also recorded and noted.

In the DT Stockton report he also documents the means that they use to put companies out of business. I don’t know if the document is authentic, but much of what it says, sounds valid.

In my own experience, what I have seen with my customers is them being paid off or ordered this that or the other for not working with me. Eg. Trying to get my customers to leave from working with me. The ones that have stayed have recorded Gang Stalking patterns in their own lives. Based on some of what I hear back about what is happening this seems to be the case. Either go along with the system or be bowled over by it. This was the same with the Stasi, refuse to spy, have your life messed with.

Fired

I spoke of a group that had messed with my phones and performed other petty events that made me choose to change location and disassociate with them, while still in the work placed. They also got me written up. This is correct and first hand experience.

Getting me fired. I had heard from a third party, not related or associated with the story that person B) had been the cause. Since the third party would have no reason to lie, they were either correct, or if mistaken then it was not intentional, but this is what I heard back.

I did not mean to imply that person A) had requested for person B) to take such actions. What I meant to imply was that because of the association, person B) was inclined to take such actions.

Eg. I once had another, unrelated situation, where a  friend come up and told me that person B) who was also friend with my friend, person A), that person B) hated me. I was really surprised, and I was like what? Why? Apparently because of my friendship with person A) for no other reason. My friend said person B) was really jealous of the the friendship and just hated my guts, and to watch my back. Other things were said, but you get the idea. So it’s not to indicate that person A) made person B) take action against me, but person B) hated me, because of my associating with person A).

 

People will hate for stupid reasons.

Back to the first situation, anyways I did later run into these two on separately on different occasions and I did just walk away and ignore them both. So that was also first hand experience.

I think when some people are around you, they bring bad things into your realm, be in this one or another. (If you believe such things, and when they are gone, your life get’s better.) I believe some others bring good things into your life, and when they are around, things just get better and better.

In my experience if someone cares about you, really cares about you, it’s like a protective shield, I don’t care if it’s a best friend, love, child, parent, etc, when someone cares about you, truly cares about you, they bring, honor, grace, and love into your life, and good energy towards you and things go good.

I find others with selfish or bad intentions towards you, or who hate you, bring you down, and create very negative situations, and should be avoided at all cost, on all realms. I think the difference shows.

If you are in a situation, friendship, and you have doubts or questions, just ask yourself, what kinds of experiences, situations, events, do they bring in your life, how does it make your soul feel? That’s a good way to start to gauge if this person is an asset or a liability for your life.

Some people feel good to be around, you might even feel happy to be around them, but they could still be an energy draining type of person, and bring bad things into your realm. It’s about energy, and you want to connect with the right types of people. People who are feeders, who feed off of others, can associate and they will be just fine, because they have nothing to lose, and they give out nothing, but if you then place yourself in that situation, you might notice a lot of negative happenings in your life, and it might be a good idea to disconnect and disassociate from that situation. Usually when you do, you will see an improvement in your life. Some situations are unhealthy.

Fishing expeditions.

They try to find out what targets are sensitive to? what they will react to? What you can use to engage them? There is usually what I call a conductor telling people where to sit, where to stand, should they approach the target, when to conduct an action when not to. In this regard it’s more coordinated then we realise.

 
Jiverly and Kimveer

I don’t believe that they ever found the Gang Stalking sites. I think having a community to socialize with could have been very helpful. I think it might have help to stop some of this from happening.

 

Police Controlled

They don’t really have to be police controlled. You have lot’s of co-workers and other in the community, that are just regular snitches, that are more than happy to mess with your stuff. Remember in regular case of mobbing we hear about this stuff all the time. Stealing stuff, messing with their things, and other parasitic mobbing behaviours. They don’t have to be police controlled snitches. I was just pointing out that if you are in desperate situations it can be easier to manipulate you.

Immigration

These people have my full sympathy. I don’t believe their immigration situations should be used, to get them to do things, or as leverage, but this is getting used. I think it’s horrible. If you thought the drug cases were bad this is worst.

Imagine being a mother or a father, separated from your kids, you have no way of getting in communication with them, seeing them etc, and you want them to come here, and you have a gun being held to your head. You have some third party holding you hostage in this way, and manipulating you. Your situation is just as vulnerable, if not more vulnerable then the drug informants.

The same is true for husbands kept from their wives, wives kept from husbands. Kids kept from dying or sick parents.

A lot of immigrants are hard working, they come here and just like everyone else they want a chance. To manipulate them like this is cruel and wrong, and it should never be used as leverage, but in a Stais like society, everything is used as leverage. You attack and go after people’s vulnerabilities. I think it’s wrong, and I feel very sad for them.

That’s why I don’t think they should be used. If people like Rachel Hoffman were vulnerable due to their situation, then immigrants are equally as vulnerable because of their circumstances and they should not be used and manipulated that way.

 

Portrayal of a target

I mentioned that they are going for the crazy thing the same way that Russia did. This is not made up, I have heard this back many times. I again think that’s funny. You have people saying that being on the Internet is a sign of mental illness, so I guess a lot of people are crazy. I always wonder who get’s to decided these things?

As I have also mentioned as time goes on, I get other things, they go fishing and try to add on other things. So you just have to watch your back.

Torture

Some people think that this is just about the target being sleep deprived. If you had someone using a laser on you, or radar gun, or transducers below the dry wall, then maybe you would understand that it’s also physical torture.

Then you have the psychological things. People trying to get you upset so that they will get you to lash out. So  a lack of sleep, being tortured, then you are expected to function, while being constantly provoked, and I did mention the complete stupidity of many in this program, added to their lack of a moral center, and their ability to forget what’s legal or moral, anything to fit in, and go along with the group and you have dangerous situations.

It is not the lone event, it is the accumulation, done over a period of time. This is the reason why mobbing had been so successful, and we have seen mobbing targets snap by just being mobbed at work. Targeted Individual have a Triple fight on their hands. They are mobbed at work, in the community, and in their homes, plus they get the added benefit of torture.

This is why I speculate that this might well be getting used to groom targets to snap. If you know what makes someone tick, you might be able to get them to snap when you want to as well. I mean these actions, these activities are being recorded for someone, for something, and so this is a reasonable speculation.

The windows shaking, and the walls dancing, would be more transducer stuff.  But if you touch the walls, if feels like a sheet of electricity, in my opinion. It just vibrates. It feels so freaky.

Corrupted Results

I changed my minds, even if these people are not controlled informants, they are equally as dangerous and capable of giving corrupted results.

Anytime you have a country that has it’s citizens spying on each other, you are going to run into bad situations. The police controlled informants, on the surface have more vulnerabilities than the other informants, but each are capable of giving corrupted results, or following secondary agendas. It’s just with police controlled informants, they might not know their rights, be more desperate, and more at the mercy of these people. However on a psychological level, the person who wants to fit in, who wants to avoid being targeted themselves, can be equally bullied into performing immoral actions.

We saw this in Stasi Germany with what good people were wiling to do to their neighbours, friends, family, lovers, children, parents, and we saw this is in Hitler’s Germany, with the community helping to round up persons of Jewish origin. The state can motivate people to do horrendous things to each other.

June 28, 2009 Posted by | Gang Stalking | , , , , , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments

Down with the snitching

I am just sitting here thinking about some past jobs I have had and some encounters that I have had with the snitches.

Again some informants are not low lives, but many others are and since this started I have seen more of the low than I have of the high.

The goal of this stalking is to make targets look like they are crazy, or whatever lie you are trying to spread, or start with one and go to another.

Remember by the time Jiverly Wong died he was a divorced loser, who could not keep a job, who had a drug addiction and had tried to rob a bank. None of that seems to have been true, but it all survived him into his death, and it’s most likely what was being spread about him. On top of that he endured months of workplace mobbing, with slogans like “if it wrong it’s Wong”. Fun stuff.

After his company closed down and he got laid off, he tried to better himself in an English class, so he could get a better job, or find a job. He dropped out of the english class, and the indication is that he also expreienced mobbing there. Most targets do not want to be unemployed, but that is the perception that the agents of the state will try to give, to justify what is happening.

I am a fairly bright, articulate, and intelligent person. Somewhat independent and before this, a pretty high functioning person. I am still a pretty high functioning person, but now I am fighting against stuff most people only have nightmares about.

I am like targets of Cointelpro fighting against a system that will go to any and every extreme to bring me down. With Jiverly Wong I often wonder if Shopvac closed on it’s own via natural means, or if they had a hand in it. I am wondering because many targets talk about the construction projects that pop up all over the city where we are. They go on for years at a time. We are not paranoid in this. They seem capable and willing to go through any means necessary to take targets down. You see this with whistle-blowers and others.

I know others who have experienced, having companies close soon after the target was going to be working there. Or in other cases, if they were trying to work with companies who specialised in products to be delivered the company stopped providing the function.

Anyways at my jobs since I have been a target, the idea is to get me fired from every job, make me look crazy or inefficient. To that end, the informants where I live, they are allowed to use a radar gun, or something that produces large amounts of heat, or other things that cause vibrations in my home, to heat up my skin, to heat up my body, to try to make sure that I am sleep deprived and unable to function.

Most times I can now overcome this, but it’s a process. For much of the last few years, because of what is happening with having a variety of weapons used on me in my home, I sometimes function on less sleep than the average person. Many targets get only a few hours sleep every night for months, because they can’t stay in one position for very long, and they constantly change positions, trying to not be burnt, or tortured.

I have had trouble with jobs over the last few years. Before this my records with keeping jobs is perfect. I lasted at most for years at a time, and left when I choose to.

I experienced workplace mobbing, and when it got extreme, like many other targets, I used vacation and other absent time to try to cope, but beyond that, a pretty good worker.

The other obstacle is that targets in the workplace have informants who are trying to get us to lose our jobs. I relayed the story of one group that I dealt with who went to my manager after I decided to move away from them, due to tactics like logging me out of my phone on breaks, to try to make it look like I was not punching out of the phones on breaks, which is a no no. After fun little things like that, I decided to move away from this group, who later when to my manager and advised that I was being unfriendly to them. Well this got me written up, and my manager telling me to be more friendly to them. I was, I told them that if they had anything work related they could feel free to approach me, but beyond that not so much. This was their attempt in my opinion to get me in trouble or fired from my job.

This don’t come to me unless it’s work related thing worked great, till one of the persons in that same group was able to get the biotch he was banging to get me fired from the the job anyways. It might have been indirect, but the results were the same. The biotch he was banging got her manager friends from what I heard to help get me fired.

I ran into these two some time later on separate occasions, and what do you really say to people like that? I mean do you say hey, thanks for getting me fired from my job? No you just ignore them. You just look at them and walk off. Leave them to comfort each other, knowing how unpleasant the strain of it all must have been for them, I mean having to run into the person you helped get fired, oh the trauma of it all, for them. Anyways, I am sure in some other dimension we are all BFF’s (Best Friends Forever) not. The chances are good that if people like that made your life hell here, they are likely to make your life hell in some other dimension, equally so or 1000 times more. If you believe in that stuff.

What I do notice is this, you always have specific people who are doing the same roles that I noticed on the train. So even though it’s been two years plus since I had any sensitivity, you still get the informants who try to make it look like I am sensitity. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that any incidents reported in the last over two years saying that I still have a sensitivify is a blatant lie. Yet every job I get, or on the street, they still try to fish. What I am wondering is, what is the legal period of time, that these governments can do this for? What are the paramators? What is the limitation and the scope? Are they just allowed to fish forever? Come on people, this might be a good angle to look into.

There is no governing body, that is why you could have them fuc* with people’s lives like Kimveer Gill, and Jiverly Wong for years at a time. They could do anything that they wanted to, and there was no governing body to intervene. Also since these two did not know exactly what was happening, it must have been so bad. Kimveer knew he was under investigation, and Jiverly knew the cops were involved, but I don’t think either had every found a Gang Stalking website, which is too bad. They might have found a supportive community and a way to deal with what was ongoing. people to talk to. I know Kimveer turned to the goth community, but that’s not the same thing, cause he was not able to openly discuss what was happening. There are just posting here and there. I find often that only another target, can acturally understand what I am going through, most people just can’t get their minds fully around it.

Anyways, so there will be informants where you work, and the only job of these under police controlled snitches will be to get you fired, or to make you look bad. So usually you get people trying to play with the phone logs, or finding other ways to try to make you look bad. Computer security at work becomes important. Do not put anything that is opened in the fridge. I don’t have to tell you that.

You are going to get a conductor, someone who co-ordinats the harassments and looks for reactions. Then you will get someone or usually many snitches that are going to be told, that they must do X Y Z. So if you are being framed to look like a racist, they will try to get you to say racist things, or if you are being made to look like a pervert, they will bring in mags, or engage in other conversation, if it’s crazy with a sensitivity, they will be told to perform the sensitivity throughout the day with someone observing your reactions. If the person observing your reactions, or doing the sensitivity are police controlled informants, then you have a problem, because then they follow the official agenda, and a second agenda given to them by their handlers. (These types of police controlled informants, do not belong in these types of investigations, because they will have a secondary agenda, always.) The regular informants are fine, but these types, are designed to get you fired from your job, or to portray you, however the handler, and those conducting the investigation see fit.

Many of them will also be example in difficult situations, I get a lot of people in immigration situations, or all races. Others in money situations, anything like this, and people will do desperate things. It’s how the Stasi worked, and it’s how our government now works. If they are holding something over these people, it makes them dangerous, and they will do whatever their handlers tell them to do. The image of Jiverly Wong being a loser, drug user, etc, did not maintain itself, it had lot’s of help.

Over the last few years, crazy has been the main thing to try to portray me as. Oh and a loser who can’t hold a job. Well when someone is allowed to try to keep you awake and sleep deprived for months and years at a time, and sometimes you are getting 3 hours sleep, because you become hypersensitive, then it’s easy to make someone miss work, or perform badly. I could probably do it, and in less time to the informants. I have worked well under the conditions that have been given to me. I have not yet excelled the way that I am accustomed, but sometimes surviving is the key. I want to do more than survive however.

If I can help other targets to get through this, to not kill themselves, or others, to not wind up in the mental ward, or jail, to not be portrayed as whatever, then I am doing a part of what I am meant to do.

I am awake right now, cause they again switched what they were doing, to try to keep me awake at nights and sleep deprived, so I have to fix this, and then get on with it. With this targeting, only another target can understand at times what is happening. Most people do not understand the concept that this is torture. The sleep deprivation, the being burnt with lasers, radar guns, other electronic weaponry, or directed energy weapons. They don’t understand what it’s like to have someone rewire the electricity in your home, so that the walls are dancing with electricity. They did this recently and it was so bad, the windows were shaking in my home. When you touched the walls, they were just vibrating, you can do this by messing with the electricity and rewiring, but it’s illegal. Yet informants do this stuff all the time, because the police controlled ones do anything that their handlers tell them to.

Remember the Cathrine Johnson case, she was 90, and they broke down her door and shot her. Well they planted drugs in her home, and they claimed that the informant had bought drugs there, well killing an innocent old woman was even more than the informant could handle and he  told the press, that no, that was a lie, and the cops in that case were put in jail, but they do this all the time. The controlled informants should not be allowed to interact with targets. They in many cases have no integrity. (Not all cases, some people will always have integrity.) The problem is you have people like Rachel Hoffman, who get desperate, and agree to desperate things, or do desperate things to others so that they can survive, it becomes a game of eat or be eaten, and it creates a nasty society. It’s not right. The results are what you see, and the events that consistently unfold.

Even the informants who get the white glove treatment, like the ones who are paid to spy, they can get corrupted by the money being thrown at them. Got a tip about the employee you are working with? Are you sure they didn’t say something racist? Are you sure they didn’t hint at liking kidddy porn? Are you sure they didn’t react to the sensitivity? Etc. It’s not hard to get someone to lie, and they do.

Then there are the honest mistakes. People who thought or are so paranoid that they make faulty judgements. The informants are not professionals, and even under the best conditions professionals make mistakes, well in many cases, I have sat there, while they think someone else is the target, and just watched them, trying to provoke the person, and it’s horrible, because they are so convinced the person A is crazy, they will see crazy. I have had them sit there looking at someone who was not the target, and then they are like oh did you see that, or they indicate it, yeah because normal action is now crazy. I just smile and nod, or smile and do nothing. I think of the times, that my normal actions must have been like, oh the the target did that, and the retelling was exaggerated, or just fabricated, not even deliberately, but many of them get so caught up, they just make bad assessments.

They are a fascinating study. In my opinion, the police controlled informants should not be in the workplaces doing the assessments on targets, because you will get corrupted results. People in immigration situations, or money situations, or other situations where something is being held on them, should not be in these roles, because you will get corrupted results, but just like with the Stasi, that’s the idea.

So the goal of these people is to make me look like a crazy person, who can’t keep a job, who might be into drugs, who is now racist. (Yeah I am shocked by the last bit, but apparently if you research extremist sites, not post anything mind you, but just research that is enough for a fishing expedition.) These people are corrupt and you have to stay up to date on their every move.

Even when you try to explain this to the society at large, they don’t care. They are the first ones to insult, and judge the Kimveers Gill’s, and Jiverly Wong’s of this world, as pycho, but they take no ownership for their roles in creating these psycho’s. Society has a responsibility to take ownership for what is happening and to try to help prevent it. Many people can take a role in making sure some of these reforms and recommendations happen, not just for our safety, but for the safety of society.

Also next time, I will go over the pattern of the Manchurian Target. Someone who is not mind controlled, but who is targeted and groomed to the stage where the state knows that they could snap, and then they use them like we saw in the Jiverly Wong situation. As a target I can’t go to the bathroom without them knowing, yet Jiverly Wong, who owns guns, and uses them regularly, who had just lost his job, dropped out of the english language school, entered a place he had dropped out of, first parking his car in the back, and was then went into the front of the building, yet no one was on hand to stop him? Really, and there are reports that the news copters were in the sky very quickly, and the info about when the 911 call was made. Anyways it might be something worth looking into.
 Was this event allowed to happen? Remember the killing sprees were going to be used, to get gun laws passed, but well let’s just say the more we highlight the ongoing agenda, the better chance we have of slowing it down, and who knows, maybe stopping it.

June 24, 2009 Posted by | Gang Stalking | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 4 Comments