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Reflections

Reflections

I was just reflecting on when this first started. Before I knew about Gang Stalking. Like other targets I knew that something was wrong, that something was going on, and that those around me were “in on it.” Unlike other targets, I never voiced any of this out loud, and never mentioned it. However when I did try to explain about some of the unusual things that were happening, and that something was going on, they would just act like nothing was happening.

What I do know is that if I had trusted those around me, and not listened to my instincts, I would be in a very different place, a very bad place. I am grateful to God that I trusted those instincts, I am grateful to God that I prayed. I knew something was going on, and at one point, I remember praying and preparing myself, and saying that no matter what it was, that I would be ready for it, and willing and able to accept it.

Well it was more horrific than I could have thought at the time. For those who followed the blog, you know I spent like the first two years, going I can’t believe this is happening, or that this is real. I use to wake up everyday, and then at some point I would say that. I think it wasn’t until my settling in post, that some kind of acceptance finally came to me, and remember that I thought I was ready for the truth.

But before this time, knowing that friends, family, co-workers, business associates, were involved in something, that something was going on, but not knowing what was hard. I couldn’t talk to anyone about it, I could only take counsel with myself, and in prayers with God, asking for truth. Praying to understand, how those around me, and close to me could be made to go along with something that was clearly designed to destroy me.

Also remember that no one, no sane person wants to believe in conspiracies. No one wants to believe that those around you could be plotting against you. Remember that to accuse someone of something without proof is a horrible thing, and what if you are wrong? That’s why for the longest time I just observed. It would be the worst thing in the world to point the finger at an innocent person without being sure, but at the same time, you don’t want to be a fool and let anyone conspire against you. So that’s why I often tell targets, write things down, observe overtime, the truth will come. Cause it’s a hard position to be in.

So when I do observe something new, I don’t always report it at first, somethings I will wait awhile, but if it’s something important for targets, something that could be harmful for them, then I might break that rule, and report an observation that I have not had time to confirm, or observe further. There are some things, that you can’t always put off, it’s better to issue a warning for other targets, just so that they can have a heads up.

The other things is that if you report something, people tend to see it, eg.  If you report someone as mentally ill, people will see mental illness that is just not there. If you report someone as a sexual pervert, people will see every little thing that person does as somehow sexually perverted. People are just interesting that way.

Those were some dark times. I mean I get now some of the process that happens. The hapless family and friends, get a letter telling them that the person could be a sexual pervert, a danger to themselves or others, involved in drugs, prostitution, pedophilia, whatever the fake accusation is. Don’t get me wrong at times these accusation the odd time, might be true, but what happens with Gang Stalking, is that the target is repeatedly set up. On top of these letters, there are interviews that can happen with friends, family, co-workers. The problem is there is no way to know how leading these interviews are, or if people always thought that James was a little odd, and someone shows up asking if James could be a danger, then suddenly James is a psychopath capable of doing great harm. Where in reality James is no more dangerous than anyone else.

They create a self fulfilling prophecies, and there is no way to know how many in society have been destroyed this way by these lies. Friends and family then get the community reports, and as target we all know the lies, set up’s, and rumours that go into this. Reports all over the city, linked to you, places you have never been, situations that you have never been in, lies, rumours, and set up’s, but they all contribute to destroying the targets life.

It took a lot to hold onto the faith. I knew I was not crazy, I know I am not crazy, at least not in that sense of the word. I knew there was something going on, instinctively I felt it, and when I finally knew about Gang Stalking, and I listened to all the other reports, I was shocked and disgusted. I kept thinking, what is it about targets, why are our families, friends, co-workers, neighbours, willing to side against us, with whoever is doing this? Later I realised it was the state, and that this sort of thing had happened in Russia, East Germany. I understood a bit more about how a society gets corrupted. How a society comes to believe that the evil they are doing is actually something good. World War I Germany, or the Germany of 1933 comes to mind.

When these times happens, the society itself becomes sick. They naturally do not see it, but history will judge them, it’s always the same, but at the time, they believe in the Righteousness of their actions, McCarthyism comes to mind. In Russia, when they sent people off to the gulags, they would have family come and sign testimony against the person, they would even get the person to believe that they were bad. If the state said that you were bad, you were. It’s horrifying to look at history and to see, and understand how often this sick, collective insanity happens, but you have the witch trials, inquisitions, this is a reoccurring theme, and people should be mindful of it.

Anyways over the years, I have been able to forgive, some people have made amends for the evils they have done, but still I sit back and think, if the state came to me, and tried to get me to go along with something this sick against friends and family would I have back them? See now that I am aware, it’s less likely, but before, when I was naive, and trusted the state, could they have manipulated me that way? I don’t know. The one time that I do think that I saw this, and was a part of this was back in school. At school we had a guy in class that this girl accused of being a pervert, or doing something very perverted and gross. Not only did did this precious flower accuse him, but she had her little minions with her to back up her story. Now I was disgusted when I heard this, like everyone else, and for a time stayed my distance, but after a time, seeing how everyone else was treating this person, I grew disgusted by the group ostracism of this person, and decided to go against the grain. I loaned this personhomework assignments and when handing out or sharing things with the group, did not exclude this person. Naturally I became the enemy of the original accuser. Which was funny, because this girl tried to use intimidation, and tried to socially annex me for associating with the person. It did not work, but the guy did end up leaving school, and did not finish the program. Years later now, I can almost 99.99% say that I am pretty sure that what they were doing to him, is what we call Gang Stalking. I think that is the one time, that I can think of where I might have been on the wrong end of the fence, and although at first I did stay away, cause of what this original girl had disclosed, I am glad in the long run I ignored her. She would later go on to spreading fake rumours about another friend of mine, and then eventually me. In the long run, I think people figured out her true and vicious nature, but I think it was deeper than that. I think this girl aside from the others, probably had aspecific agenda, when I look back and put all the pieces into place, that is what comes through the most. Why this guy became a target, I don’t know, but that is what I think he was. I also now know what they were signalling about. Back then they were always signalling to each other. I kept thinking, what are they signalling about? Now that I know about the one handed sign language that the citizen informants use, I can look at the past, and get a pretty good idea of what was happening, and based on the type of people this girl targeted get a pretty good idea of what was likely really happening.

I included this, because I think it’s important for people to try to understand the other side of the picture. I am most definitely not a bad person, I was at the time trying to support this girl at first, by staying away from someone she and her friends had said had done something perverted and gross. To the guy in this story, I can’t imagine what it was like showing up to that course, to have everyone thinking this about you, and I think this explains why he missed so much time, and eventually quit. At the time however I would only have seen my part, but again I am glad that eventually my part was the role of being helpful, and not sticking to what the group was doing. The ones sticking to what the group was doing, were they trying to do anything evil? No, I can honestly say, they just felt they were getting rid of someone perverted from their midst’s, and that is how this can work. They only see their part of it, which is small and insignificant, the paper cuts that on their own do not matter, but collectively, can and do destroy.

So reflections have been very important. Observation, and trusting instincts. The other thing about not reporting incidents too soon is that it’s easy to send out information, but it’s hard to collect that information back. Also once people get something into their heads it’s hard to correct that information, so that’s why most times if I can, I try to hold off on reporting things till I can be sure. Recently I skipped this step in reporting an observation, that I can not confirm, or deny. But it was more important for the protection of targets that they be aware that this could be happening in their areas, and to take precaution. I had to weight two options, and hope that the right choice was made, and that if the observation is real, that it will prove itself in time, and if not, then it will clear itself in time. What I should say is that I know that in other cases, this observation is true and happening, in the case I observed recently, I do not have concrete proof one way or another, and leave it in the realm of this is what I thought I observed on one occasion, which would never hold up for me personally in any scientific regard.

Observation should happen over a period of time, and be consistent. Like when I was observing the hand signals, that they use. So I am going to leave it at that. Sometimes you have to trust your instincts, and just go with that. Other times if you can, it’s always better to find concrete proof if you can, and in all cases, try not to jump the gun, take time, and hope that truth will come.

July 29, 2010 Posted by | Conspiracy, Controlled society, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking | , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments

Down with snitching clearified

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/down-with-the-snitching/
I blogged the above post really early in the morning and so not a good time for blogging, so I thought I would go over it, I made a lot of points and i want to make sure I did it correctly.

Construction projects.

Many targets complain about these, and in my personal experience, they use these projects as an excuse to help with the monitoring and surveillance of the area.

Sure there is always construction ongoing so how can we be sure it’s directed at us. I have lived several years on the planet, and there has often been construction ongoing, but never like this.

It’s not just construction at the last two locations that lasted for months or years on end, it’s going to interviews, and by the time you get out a little construction, or drilling in the street you are going to pass just springs up. It’s happened a few times, coincidence? A few times too many.

It happens for me and most other targets I know. As we are able to compare notes, this is a frequent theme that comes up, and they also see a pattern of extraordinary construction that has gone out of bounds.

Companies closing or change of owners.

This is another thing that I have noticed. Changes of owners. Let’s say you had a store where the family were not going along with the snitching, suddenly they are out of business, or the store ownership changes. The things that I have further noticed is that within this change, specific products that were available, that the store specialized in are not there. Which makes no sense.

Targets complain about stores being out of products they use when they get there, even if they go to other locations, the products are out of stock.

This sounds crazy at first, but it’s not. They watch and record everything that we buy. There is always someone behind us in the line, to mentally record the products the target purchased. They also watch what we take off the shelf, so they know if our diets change. They know which products to be out of, or if they can stop ordering all together.

In comparing notes amongst several targets, this is a pattern that they have also recorded and noted.

In the DT Stockton report he also documents the means that they use to put companies out of business. I don’t know if the document is authentic, but much of what it says, sounds valid.

In my own experience, what I have seen with my customers is them being paid off or ordered this that or the other for not working with me. Eg. Trying to get my customers to leave from working with me. The ones that have stayed have recorded Gang Stalking patterns in their own lives. Based on some of what I hear back about what is happening this seems to be the case. Either go along with the system or be bowled over by it. This was the same with the Stasi, refuse to spy, have your life messed with.

Fired

I spoke of a group that had messed with my phones and performed other petty events that made me choose to change location and disassociate with them, while still in the work placed. They also got me written up. This is correct and first hand experience.

Getting me fired. I had heard from a third party, not related or associated with the story that person B) had been the cause. Since the third party would have no reason to lie, they were either correct, or if mistaken then it was not intentional, but this is what I heard back.

I did not mean to imply that person A) had requested for person B) to take such actions. What I meant to imply was that because of the association, person B) was inclined to take such actions.

Eg. I once had another, unrelated situation, where a  friend come up and told me that person B) who was also friend with my friend, person A), that person B) hated me. I was really surprised, and I was like what? Why? Apparently because of my friendship with person A) for no other reason. My friend said person B) was really jealous of the the friendship and just hated my guts, and to watch my back. Other things were said, but you get the idea. So it’s not to indicate that person A) made person B) take action against me, but person B) hated me, because of my associating with person A).

 

People will hate for stupid reasons.

Back to the first situation, anyways I did later run into these two on separately on different occasions and I did just walk away and ignore them both. So that was also first hand experience.

I think when some people are around you, they bring bad things into your realm, be in this one or another. (If you believe such things, and when they are gone, your life get’s better.) I believe some others bring good things into your life, and when they are around, things just get better and better.

In my experience if someone cares about you, really cares about you, it’s like a protective shield, I don’t care if it’s a best friend, love, child, parent, etc, when someone cares about you, truly cares about you, they bring, honor, grace, and love into your life, and good energy towards you and things go good.

I find others with selfish or bad intentions towards you, or who hate you, bring you down, and create very negative situations, and should be avoided at all cost, on all realms. I think the difference shows.

If you are in a situation, friendship, and you have doubts or questions, just ask yourself, what kinds of experiences, situations, events, do they bring in your life, how does it make your soul feel? That’s a good way to start to gauge if this person is an asset or a liability for your life.

Some people feel good to be around, you might even feel happy to be around them, but they could still be an energy draining type of person, and bring bad things into your realm. It’s about energy, and you want to connect with the right types of people. People who are feeders, who feed off of others, can associate and they will be just fine, because they have nothing to lose, and they give out nothing, but if you then place yourself in that situation, you might notice a lot of negative happenings in your life, and it might be a good idea to disconnect and disassociate from that situation. Usually when you do, you will see an improvement in your life. Some situations are unhealthy.

Fishing expeditions.

They try to find out what targets are sensitive to? what they will react to? What you can use to engage them? There is usually what I call a conductor telling people where to sit, where to stand, should they approach the target, when to conduct an action when not to. In this regard it’s more coordinated then we realise.

 
Jiverly and Kimveer

I don’t believe that they ever found the Gang Stalking sites. I think having a community to socialize with could have been very helpful. I think it might have help to stop some of this from happening.

 

Police Controlled

They don’t really have to be police controlled. You have lot’s of co-workers and other in the community, that are just regular snitches, that are more than happy to mess with your stuff. Remember in regular case of mobbing we hear about this stuff all the time. Stealing stuff, messing with their things, and other parasitic mobbing behaviours. They don’t have to be police controlled snitches. I was just pointing out that if you are in desperate situations it can be easier to manipulate you.

Immigration

These people have my full sympathy. I don’t believe their immigration situations should be used, to get them to do things, or as leverage, but this is getting used. I think it’s horrible. If you thought the drug cases were bad this is worst.

Imagine being a mother or a father, separated from your kids, you have no way of getting in communication with them, seeing them etc, and you want them to come here, and you have a gun being held to your head. You have some third party holding you hostage in this way, and manipulating you. Your situation is just as vulnerable, if not more vulnerable then the drug informants.

The same is true for husbands kept from their wives, wives kept from husbands. Kids kept from dying or sick parents.

A lot of immigrants are hard working, they come here and just like everyone else they want a chance. To manipulate them like this is cruel and wrong, and it should never be used as leverage, but in a Stais like society, everything is used as leverage. You attack and go after people’s vulnerabilities. I think it’s wrong, and I feel very sad for them.

That’s why I don’t think they should be used. If people like Rachel Hoffman were vulnerable due to their situation, then immigrants are equally as vulnerable because of their circumstances and they should not be used and manipulated that way.

 

Portrayal of a target

I mentioned that they are going for the crazy thing the same way that Russia did. This is not made up, I have heard this back many times. I again think that’s funny. You have people saying that being on the Internet is a sign of mental illness, so I guess a lot of people are crazy. I always wonder who get’s to decided these things?

As I have also mentioned as time goes on, I get other things, they go fishing and try to add on other things. So you just have to watch your back.

Torture

Some people think that this is just about the target being sleep deprived. If you had someone using a laser on you, or radar gun, or transducers below the dry wall, then maybe you would understand that it’s also physical torture.

Then you have the psychological things. People trying to get you upset so that they will get you to lash out. So  a lack of sleep, being tortured, then you are expected to function, while being constantly provoked, and I did mention the complete stupidity of many in this program, added to their lack of a moral center, and their ability to forget what’s legal or moral, anything to fit in, and go along with the group and you have dangerous situations.

It is not the lone event, it is the accumulation, done over a period of time. This is the reason why mobbing had been so successful, and we have seen mobbing targets snap by just being mobbed at work. Targeted Individual have a Triple fight on their hands. They are mobbed at work, in the community, and in their homes, plus they get the added benefit of torture.

This is why I speculate that this might well be getting used to groom targets to snap. If you know what makes someone tick, you might be able to get them to snap when you want to as well. I mean these actions, these activities are being recorded for someone, for something, and so this is a reasonable speculation.

The windows shaking, and the walls dancing, would be more transducer stuff.  But if you touch the walls, if feels like a sheet of electricity, in my opinion. It just vibrates. It feels so freaky.

Corrupted Results

I changed my minds, even if these people are not controlled informants, they are equally as dangerous and capable of giving corrupted results.

Anytime you have a country that has it’s citizens spying on each other, you are going to run into bad situations. The police controlled informants, on the surface have more vulnerabilities than the other informants, but each are capable of giving corrupted results, or following secondary agendas. It’s just with police controlled informants, they might not know their rights, be more desperate, and more at the mercy of these people. However on a psychological level, the person who wants to fit in, who wants to avoid being targeted themselves, can be equally bullied into performing immoral actions.

We saw this in Stasi Germany with what good people were wiling to do to their neighbours, friends, family, lovers, children, parents, and we saw this is in Hitler’s Germany, with the community helping to round up persons of Jewish origin. The state can motivate people to do horrendous things to each other.

June 28, 2009 Posted by | Gang Stalking | , , , , , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments

Jiverly Wong. Two sides

I have got a theory so let’s put it to the test.

This should be obvious, but I am sure it will not be.
Part of what Jiverly Wong said is that people were spreading rumours about him, specifically the cops. After his death there were stories printed about him that he was crack/cocaine drug addicted loser, I have yet to find anything to say that this was true. There was also this story that said he was a failed loser who planned to rob a bank. Where did these rumour come from? From the general population? I don’t think so. The rumour about him wanting to rob a bank was given to the police by an informant. This rumour came from an informant, an informant who feed the rumour to the cops, so if the cops are not spreading rumours about him, how did this rumour find it’s way into the papers? Aren’t these informant tips suppose to be secret? Yet after his death, the man who says that the cops were spreading rumours about him, has a story printed saying he was addicted to cocaine, and had planned to rob a bank. Seems like even in death, he might be proving himself correct.

This was a tip from 1999, 10 years ago, so how did it have this long a shelf life if nothing ever came of it? How did it find it’s way into several articles?

Also the rumours about him having a girlfriend, and previously a wife, I have yet to have this stuff fully confirmed, the parents don’t know anything about either.

Based on the article below, I would say that there was rumour floating around about him, a rumour that came from an informant years ago, but would make it’s way into the papers after his death? Sounds to me like this rumour might have been floating around, and if so, this rumour could only have come from the cops, who the informant gave the tip to, and this would prove a part of what Jiverly Wong was saying.

Also he was laid off from his job, not fired, but any paper could make that mistake. Ofcourse if they were taking time to check the story, and not just print rumour and hearsay that would paint the guy as a nut job, they also might have noticed this little error.

I still want to know more about this wife, the parents are just finding out about it in the papers, and why has she not been contacted, were the records they found correct? Did they find records for someone else named Jiverly Wong, in their quick fact checking?

The article below really tried to portray him in the worst light possible, with a lot of misinformation, information which I have not in some ways been able to verify. What is more certain however is that the information about the drug addiction and bank heist rumour most likely came from the police, and if this was a 1999 rumour why was it still floating around, unless what he said in his letter had some validity?

Anyways here is the article.

 

[quote]http://www.nypost.com/seven/04052009/news/nationalnews/failed_life_for_killer_coward_162952.htm

FAILED LIFE FOR KILLER ‘COWARD’

* DIVORCED & LOST JOB BEFORE MASSACRE
* CO-WORKER WORRIED ‘HE’D SHOOT US ALL’
By LORENA MONGELLI in Binghamton and TODD VENEZIA and JAMES FANELLI in New York City

The lunatic behind the Binghamton massacre was a pathetic, gun-loving coward who got divorced, lost his job and was driven to depression because he could barely speak English after many years in the United States, officials and people who knew him said yesterday.
 

His life in the pits, Jiverly Wong, 41, became a regular at Gander Mountain, a sporting goods store, in the six months leading up to the rampage, buying and returning as many as six guns after firing each a few times.

Wong — who has a daughter in California, according to a coworker — would get agitated when staffers had trouble with his broken English.

“He would get frustrated,” Dave Henderson, who taught a class at the store, told the Press & Sun Bulletin of Binghamton. “There was times I wouldn’t even talk to him anymore.”

It was not clear if that was where he bought the two guns found on his body after Friday’s massacre: 9mm and .45-caliber pistols.

His former co-workers at the ShopVac vacuum-cleaner assembly facility were equally frustrated by his communication problems, and were worried about his gun-loving ways.

On Mondays, when asked about his weekends, Wong routinely replied, “I went to a shooting range,” said ex-colleague David Carrico, 18.

“He liked shooting guns. I was worried he would come into work one day, get angry and shoot us all.”

It wasn’t until five months after his November firing from ShopVac that he finally did snap — but he directed his rage elsewhere, at the language school from which he essentially flunked out.
Wong on Friday picked up a pair of guns, hoisted a bulging sack of ammunition and marched maniacally into the American Civic Association, killing 13 people before turning the gun on himself. Another four victims remain hospitalized, but are expected to survive.

A clearer picture emerged yesterday of Wong’s tale of woe before his grisly end.

The last 10 years of his sorry life included cocaine addiction, a bank-heist plan that never came to fruition, a divorce and lost jobs in New York and California.

Wong — who at one point changed his last name to Voong, and also sometimes went by the name Linh — was born in Vietnam to an ethnic Chinese family.

He came to the United States in the early 1990s with his family and became a naturalized citizen.

Wong quickly wound up in trouble, as court records in Los Angeles show that he was charged with forgery in 1992. It’s not clear what became of the case. His family finally settled in Binghamton.

He got a gun permit in the mid-1990s.

New York officials investigated him in 1999 after an informant said that he was planning to rob a bank and had a “crack or cocaine” habit, Binghamton Police Chief Joseph Zikuski said. Nothing came of the allegations.

A couple of years later, Wong left for California, where he got a job driving a delivery truck for Kikka Sushi and lived in a cheap Inglewood motel. At the fleabag pay-by-the-month joint — near the airport with bars on the windows — all he had in his room was a bed and a 52-inch TV, fellow tenant Eric Sherman told The Post.

“All he would do is sit inside his apartment and chain-smoke,” he said. “He didn’t talk much and I just thought he didn’t talk because he didn’t really speak English.”

Los Angeles court records also show that Wong was married. He was divorced in July 2005.

That was quickly followed by his abrupt departure from Kikka Sushi — and the West Coast altogether.

Wong complained he was disgruntled at the company, where he made $500 per week.

Back in Binghamton, Wong was able to hold down a steady job at ShopVac until he was laid off, but was again upset over his low pay.
“I work so hard, but they only pay me $8 an hour,” he complained to colleague Donald Ackley.

He was also tormented by some coworkers and sat alone in the lunchroom.

“Sometimes they picked on him a little bit,” he said. “They would say, ‘It’s wrong, it’s Wong, it’s wrong, it’s Wong.’ ”

Depressed and angry, he tried to better himself in the area where he was most vulnerable: his lack of English skills. He enrolled in an intermediate-level class at the association.

But once again he failed by hardly bothering to show up.

“His attendance was so erratic, he was dropped,” said Elisabeth Hayes, his English teacher, who was out on vacation on the day of the massacre. Her substitute, Roberta King, 72, wound up dead.

“This was a nasty act of irrationality. Why did he have to do that?” Hayes asked. “We could have been there for him if he needed support. The class was kind to him.

“It’s a true American nightmare.”

In his final months, Wong — who wore a hearing aid, according to driving records — was miserable, surviving on $200 in unemployment benefits and living in his parents’ gritty home.

By the time he was ready to commit his cold-blooded crime, the only place he found solace was at a gym, a pal said.

“He seemed a little depressed,” said Son Quach, a grocery-store owner who had worked out with him at the Court Jester gym in nearby Johnson City.

He also griped about a recent break-up with his girlfriend, but would not elaborate.

Wong was inconsolable and often whined about his “bad luck.”

“We picked up that apparently people were making fun of him and he felt that he was being degraded because of his inability to speak English and he was upset about that,” Zikuski said.

The police chief said Wong’s suicide was his final act of failure.

Police believe Wong planned to go out in a blaze of glory in a gunfight with cops, but got cold feet when he heard sirens and put a bullet between his eyes.

“He must have been a coward,” Zikuski said.

“We speculate that when he heard the sirens, he decided to end his own life. He was heavily armed, had a lot of ammunition on him and, thank God, before more lives were lost, that he decided to do that.”

Additional reporting by Tori Richards in Los Angeles, Josh Williams and Brad Hamilton in Binghamton and AP

lorena.mongelli@nypost.com
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If he survived 18 years of being Gang Stalked, and if he is telling the truth, then he was not a coward for those 18 years, it take a lot to survive being under investigation 24/7. Apparently the alligation of drug addition might be false and this might be the rumours that he spoke about, sounds like there was the typical workplace mobbing involved, and the community Gang Stalking, which might be part of the reason he dropped out of the language school. See if you take the time to listen to his side, you can either write him off as some paranoid whack job, or if you look deeper, he might have been burtally targeted and harassed for 18 years and if this is the case, more needs to be done to bring this to the light.

April 14, 2009 Posted by | Gang Stalking | , , , , , , , , , , , | 4 Comments