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Hal Turner vs Julian Assange

Hal Turner vs Julian Assange

Now I am hearing a lot about Julian Wikileaks and that he could not be a disinfo site, cause now he is allegedly going to face charges, but it’s not necessarily true.

There was a shrill that worked for the government for years and who was on the payroll from the start, he was harassed a lot, and even went to jail, but he was a shrill the whole time.

See it’s nice to think that things should be painted in black and white, and that we would know the good guys from the bad guys but we often don’t. The thing to do is to start to look for identifiable patterns that help you to distinguish the one from the others.

Now I have no diffinative proof that Julian is a shrill, but I will say that he met a lot of the points patterns that point to that, even with the current arrest.

Now as many know in my research into Gang Stalking I have researched some of the extremist communities, and that is where I first heard about Hal Turner. Some for years had thought that he was a shrill, some even after the arrest, and his confession of being a government shrill still championed him.

During his time he did a lot of good, remember he was working for his assigned cause, but he was also helping set up people and give tips to the feds. So on the one hand he would hold rallies and vigils for people. Bring cases that would normally not get attention attention that they needed, for some he was seen as a leader, and a voice for his community. Other thought he was a loud mouth and a bit crazy.

What always amazes me about this type is their ability to raise funds, and have a wide array of sheeple singing their praises. There are other points that happen, but I am going to keep some of those to myself.

What is now known about Hal Turner is that he was a government informant and part of what he was hired to do was to spy on many of those in the community he claimed to represent. He seemed to be on the surface performing one function, but in the background he was performing a different function.

What people have to remember is this Hal Turner was a shrill, the handler and some in the FBI knew this, a lot of other people did not know this, and thinking that he was legitimate acted accordingly. What I believe I have discovered is that these people are often given an assignment. I don’t think that they even know who each other are, but they likely figure it out in time. Each does what they are assigned to do, be it post information, push a subject into the publics interest, etc. They go about their day to day lives, and most are none the wiser as they carry out a duel agenda.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/crime_courts/Records_show_feds_used_ultra-right_radio_host_for_years.html

For more than five years, Hal Turner of North Bergen lived a double life.

The public knew him as an ultra-right-wing radio talk show host and Internet blogger with an audience of neo-Nazis and white supremacists attracted to his scorched-earth racism and bare-knuckles bashing of public figures. But to the FBI, and its expanding domestic counter-terror intelligence operations in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, Turner was “Valhalla” — his code name as an informant who spied on his own controversial followers.

For the record Hal Turner is now sitting and rotting in jail, but for years he worked for them faithfully, pushing the edges of what he could get away with. He had watch dog organization on his tale, which may or may not have been a part of the subterfuge, and many people really disliked him for the views he sprouted, he also caused a great deal of controversy, got a lot of media play, and the whole time he was working for them. So it’s all very highly possible.

But the center of the court battle will likely be the story of Hal Turner and his FBI connections, which began in 2003 with the Newark-based Joint Terrorism Task Force, and continued on and off until this year.

Rumors of Turner’s FBI work surfaced two years ago after unknown Internet hackers electronically broke into his Web site and found e-mails between Turner and an FBI agent. Turner never acknowledged his FBI role until after his arrest in June — and then with a mix of anger and chagrin.

“Imagine my surprise,” he wrote in one of several letters from jail to The Record, “when agents from the very FBI that trained and paid me came to my house to arrest me.”

 

All across the internet these people have set up little Hal Turners, they are usually the one’s getting the attention, media play, and they are the ones the sheeple follow like the pied piper in many cases. Very rarely does anything get through that is really pure and clean. These fake messiahs are not all bad, they are the only way that some information seems to reach the public. I use some of their outlets when I can. I like to think some of them occasionally pull and tug at their leashes, but I think at heart most of them know who and what they serve, and thus a lot of the Internet is controlled, more than we know.

If Julian is not a shrill, then I wish him all the best, but based on a lot of things that I have seen, I am going to play it very cautious with this one and see what develops further.

December 8, 2010 Posted by | Above top secret, Awareness, CIA, Conspiracy, control, Controlled society | , , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Gang Stalking. FOIA request.

Gang Stalking FOIA.
Is this specific FOIA request a ploy by the FBI to discredit targets and profile them as schizophrenic? Will this letter place targets on a watch list? Is it meant to be disinformation for targets? Is this letter actually helpful in anyway to targets?
http://asianvictimsassociation.ning.com/forum/topics/gang-stalking-foia-request
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gang-stalking-foia-request

I came across this letter back in December. At the time I had major concerns about it. I posted those concerns as comments, so that if the user saw the letter they would at least think before they emailed or mailed off a document that could potentially send them to a mental institution or get them placed on a watch list.
Here is a portion of the FOIA request, and for those more familiar with good FOIA request, you can let me know what you think.
[quote]12.   Any FBI records indicating coercion or bribery being used by gang stalking groups to force or bribe neighbors, local businesses and others in the community of a targeted individual to participate in the gang stalking methods/activities directed against one or more targeted individuals within a community.  

13.   Any FBI records indicating the motives behind the stalking of individuals such as personal vendettas, family vendettas, whistle-blowing (corporate and government), employment disputes/lawsuits, political views, sexual orientation, interracial relationships, gay and lesbian relationships, HIV status, business disputes, marital disputes, monetary disputes, and any other similar motives for gang stalking.  

 14.   Any FBI records indicating the funding of gang stalking groups including, but not limited to, narcotic and other racketeering funds, corporate funds, local business funds and government money (e.g. paid informants), monetary crimes by the gang stalkers, or, payment for surveillance or intelligence collected by gang stalking groups paid for by racketeers, narco-traffickers and/or other criminal associations made to the gang stalkers for services gang stalking groups rendered.  

 15.   Any FBI records indicating the number of informants (paid and unpaid) under the control of federal, state and local law enforcement within these gang stalking groups. For instance, during the Civil Rights Era the FBI now acknowledges 20% of KKK members were informants.  

 16.   Any FBI records relating to a List on which gang stalking victims are placed which initiates and/or maintains the gang stalking activities against them.  

 17.   Any FBI records indicating a hierarchy within the gang stalking groups including a chain of command.  
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Here is a link on my forum to my concerns about this letter, which I have now seen on YouTube, and posted in other places.
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226891452

When I saw the letter I spoke to the originator of the letter directly to find out what was going on. He claims to have experience with this stuff, claims to be a lawyer, but based on this FOIA request, I had very deep concerns. I believe my comments have been deleted from the thread and the plan has gone forward, so that’s why I am highlighting this in several places.

Before sending off a FOIA request you might want to run it past a lawyer. I am taking the time to post about this because I have a few concerns, specifically that this could get a target put on a watch list, or the letters could be used to profile targets as mentally unstable and could be a problem for activists in future. Just think of this letter arriving in multiple forms for all their behavioural specialists. It seems to have been designed that way. I don’t claim to be an expert, but I did take the time to find what others had done, and how they had requested FOIA requests.
http://www.rcfp.org/foiact/index.html
http://www.rcfp.org/foiact/guide_h.html
[quote]
Your address
Daytime phone number

Date

Agency Administrator
Agency
Address

FOIA Appeal

Dear Administrator:

This is an appeal under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. § 552.

On (date) I made a FOIA request to your agency for (brief description of what you requested). On (date), your agency denied my request on the grounds that (state the reasons given by the agency). Copies of my request and the denial are enclosed.

(When the agency delays:) It has been (state number) business days since my request was received by your agency. This period clearly exceeds the 20 days provided by the statute, thus I deem my request denied. A copy of my correspondence and the postal form showing receipt by your office are enclosed.

The information which I have requested is clearly releasable under FOIA and, in my opinion, may not validly be protected by any of the Act’s exemptions.

(Here, insert legal and “public policy” arguments in favor of disclosure, if you wish. You are not required to make legal or policy arguments to support your appeal; if you simply state “I appeal” the agency will review the documents and the justifications given in the original denial. However, it is usually a good idea to try to persuade them to release the information. See the Federal Open Government Guide (www.rcfp.org/fogg/index.php?i=ex1) for further information on any of the specific exemptions cited by the agency in their denial of your original request. The descriptions contained there should suggest arguments you can make to counter the agency’s assertions.)

I trust that upon re-consideration, you will reverse the decision denying me access to this material and grant my original request. However, if you deny this appeal, I intend to initiate a lawsuit to compel disclosure. (Don’t include this as an idle threat. But if you do intend to follow up with a lawsuit, say so. Often the agency will more closely consider its position when it knows it will have to defend it in court soon.)

As I have made this request in the capacity of a journalist (or author, or scholar) and this information is of timely value, I would appreciate your expediting the consideration of my appeal in every way possible. In any case, I will expect to receive your decision within 20 business days, as required by the statute.

Thank you for your assistance.

Very truly yours,

Your signature
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http://epic.org/privacy/fusion/VA_FOIA021208.pdf

The first two links above are for generic requests, and the pdf is a link from a group called epic and how they went about requesting info for a fusion center.

It really important how you approach the issue. Based on events that happened during Cointelpro, I am worried that this letter might be another Cointelpro like tactic, that’s why before sending in this letter, I would recommend targets check with a lawyer, or someplace that’s familiar with FOIA requests to see if this letter would be helpful, or if it’s more likely to get them put on a watch list, be deemed as mentally ill, or
if this letter would actually be helpful to them.

You can always use the generic letters provided. Those should be safe and pretty effective. I think to the new target online who wants to be active this letter might be detrimental to them. Again I don’t claim to be an expert. I would just encourage targets to review this before putting themselves in jeopardy.

April 12, 2009 Posted by | activism, CIA, Conspiracy, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking | , , , , , , , , , , , | 8 Comments