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United we stand. Divided they fall.

Are informants stupid?

what I have learnt from the extremist sites.
Try your best not to generalize. What get’s me most when I am on the extremist sites is that there is a lot of generalization. These sites tend to generalize groups of people and that is just not the thing to do.

I can however see that if you have too many negative experiences with too many people of a specific group that you might tend to have a general negative attitude towards that group.
I find that I tend to do this with the informants. I really try to avoid this when I can. Though a majority of them are parasitic bottom feeders, there are some, the odd few that are not stupid, that are helpful, that have retained their humanity, that are not going along with this stupidty, and who are equally looking for a way out. I am not including those people in this posting. Everyone is different.

Many of them are just what they seem to be. Just like in East Germany where they baited the Jews, or the south where they baited the blacks, many of them are the same things. They are not happy or fulfilled unless they are getting targets to notice them, or doing something to be in conflict with targets.

I still believe the primary thing to do in most cases is to ignore them. Lately I am honestly more interested in the flowers, the trees, the dirt under my feet, etc, more so than I am interested in them. I am happier, I think I finally came to the realization, that it’s just not worth it.

For me personally, there is little or no merit with interacting with the majority of people that have chosen to be a part of a system that is corrupt. The vast majority of these people are at the heart of what is driving this system. If it was not working for them, they would change it. However I believe that this system does work for the vast majority of them.

I believe many people unfortunately are base at heart, and this attracts the worst sort of people, and the worst sort of vermin. It’s a sad truth. Most people probable feel they are part of something wonderful, if you will recall, the Stasi were the same, and the Nazi were the same.

What is the difference between these people and the Nazi? The world eventually recognized the Nazi’s for what they were, I believe it will be a bit longer before these people are recognised as the same thing. Right now I believe the vast majority, are still in the we are right stage.

For me personally limiting my interaction with the vast majority works. In my years of mobbing, Gang Stalking, Cointelpro, I have not found that it’s often in my best interest to interact with them. I generally avoid the vast majority of them when I can. They generally do not seem to understand this. I don’t want anything to do with the vast majority of them, they are not my type of people, we have nothing in common, and it’s not in my best interest to interact with them. It’s nothing personal.

There are many informants that I like, that I still like interacting with. They are just very few and far between. No I don’t believe that they are all stupid, but much like the rest of the society, the system that they subscribe to is corrupt, and thus they are corrupt by being a part of it. Willingly or unwillingly.

I am going to try to give some examples of this.
I once worked with a girl let’s call her J. J was being harassed very badly by Steven a manager at one of the jobs where we worked. She use to come to me and complain about what he was doing. In my opinion he was very badly harassing and bullying her. She was a shy reserved creature and unfortunately drew Steven’s harassment.

Even though I was being mobbed, I helped to shield her the best way that I could. I even gave her the information that she needed to get away from him. At the time he was her manager. She did not want to go to HR, because everyone knew that going to HR only made things worst. (I still tried to work through the HR process, but I agree that the majority of times when a manager is involved, HR does not help and is not helpful.)

She was stressed everyday and worried constantly, she just wanted to get off of his team. I found a way that she could do so without having to go to HR, it worked and eventually she got off his team.

During this time, we had become quite friendly, because I felt protective of her. Anyways one day she stopped talking to me, and became very unfriendly, not just unfriendly, but rude, and she also got several of her people, from her culture to be rude as well. I could not understand what was wrong with this girl. I eventually found out that I had wished her good health in German, and English not being her first language, she had misunderstood what I had said, and thought that I had insulted her.

A simple error, which could have been fixed, by asking me what I had said, or to explain it. No. So in essence, what she had done was advised people that I had reacted in a negative manner to her “stimuli” and insulted her. I would never have guessed at this, because it was just not the case.

Do I believe that she misunderstood what was said, yes. Do I believe she did so intentionally? NO in this case I do not. However it does not change the fact that because of the stupidity of this informant system, and the stupidity of human nature she saw what was not there. The problem is that if you tell people that someone is XYz they will not only see XYZ in many cases, but they will also add ABC.

Another example of this system at work. When I was at school we had what I now recognize to be informants. They were always signalling, I do recall this, but I had no idea why at the time. Anyways this person and her friends came and told a group of us, that this male in our class had been self pleasuring himself in class. Her two male friends confirmed this information, by agreeing with her. Thus the group without questioning them, accepted there story. She said he was a pervert and a variety of other things.

Naturally people were disgusted and did not wish to be around this person. We believed them. He was avoided after this by the class, because of what this girl had said. He missed a lot of school and eventually did not come back the next term.

In the middle of this, I could not keep up ignoring him. No matter what his so called crime, he had not killed anyone, but none the less he was treated as a leaper, and though I did not see it at the time. I believe this is what was ongoing in his life. I also believe that what the class was told was a lie, by this group of informants. He was an ethnic minority, and I do believe the goal was to get him to drop out of the class.

Because of what this girl told the others, many of the other girls in the class avoided him, the guys would not befriend him, but I eventually gave him notes, and stopped avoiding him. This interestingly enough made me enemies with the person who had started the rumours. I had been a thorn in the side of what was probably a Gang Stalking attempt in his life, but for me it was just being nice to another human being, that in my opinion there was no reason to be cruel to, and certainly not for such an extended period of time, or to the lengths that they were going to.

Did I realise that I was doing anything wrong, or being manipulated? No I did not, but I understood how to be  human, and something within told me that what was ongoing was wrong. Some of the informants in this system will have that capacity, the vast majority will not. Even if they have the impulse that something is wrong, many do not have the independence to stop what is happening, or confront it.

For me a lot of things are trial and error. After years of dealing with them, for me personally, I don’t want anything to do with the vast majority of them. The interactions do not enhance my life most times, I have watched the vast majority, and they like this system, it works for them. They like the snitching friends network, and many of them would be lost without it. It’s their source of information, let’s them know what’s happening, and they feed off of it.

They feed off of having confrontations with targets the same way the Nazi’s feed off of having confrontations with Jews, and congratulated themselves about it. It’s the same things, they are the same level of baseness. The KKK did the same thing with blacks. Piss them off, get them to react, it’s the same thing.

Where the last two groups were seen in a negative light, the members of this cult of informants, see themselves, and their actions in a very positive light. A vast majority of them, act in the same mindless fashion, one right after the other.

For me after years of being around them. My recommendation is to ignore them. The vast majority of times, they are not worth it. They want someone they can play games with that will respond to them. The “look at me, look at me, I am something special.” The vast majority of times, I literally do not pay attention to them, anymore. If like the Nazi’s or the KKK, they interact with me in such a way that they cross the line, I let them know it. Because if you let them cross the line a little, they will cross the line a lot. They must be kept in their place. This is what they try to do with us, and we must do the same with them.

Again, I do not mean to generalise. I hate that, and I try to avoid it when I can. They are not all like that, but too many are. The contempt has been earned.

This system is not sophisticated, many of them do not understand why targets don’t want anything to do with them. Targets see the world in a very different way. I am often grateful for this experience, because it really is something I could only have learnt by experiencing. My whole life, I wondered how Nazi Germany happened, how did normal people go along with it? There was no reference source that had the material that I needed. Only the human experience could have given me what I needed.

As such I have been blessed, to understand how base human nature can get, how deprived, how people that start out decent can become corrupt. How a system of corruption can be made to function. I do believe such systems will eventually do themselves in, but in the meantime, it’s an amazing study. I would choose no other side to be on.

I might dislike stupid people around me at times, but it’s a great learning experience, how they function, operate, the types involved. You could not pay for such, I know most targets will not agree with me, but when we can let go of the targeting aspect, and just look at the social psychological aspect, they are an interesting study.

Anyways I had one actually try to cross the line today, and it had to be confront and politely advised, to not cross the line. Much like the Nazi, they seemed delighted, oh my gosh, nothing else has been working, no other stimuli, we finally have something. Yes sadly I am their world, but they are not my world. Even a very broken and corrupt clock can get the time right at least twice a day. The same with this broken and corrupt system.

I hate the targeting, but when I think about what these people have become, I will take this side of the coin. I don’t like it, it’s not always my favorite, but I thank God everyday, that I am on this side of the coin. I believe we spiritually choose things, and I do believe on some level, I choose this side of the coin, and this path, because I would not want to be on the other side of the coin.

I have no desire most times or care, what the snitching network is up to, I care not for their stupid system, which is corrupted, and being a parasite who’s only job is to spy on others, or bait them, like the Nazi’s did the Jews, is just not my cup of tea.

Targets this is not a great place that we are in, I know that most of us hate it on a daily basis, but when I really look at who and what these people are, and the things they do, my life is not that bad. That’s one of the reasons I have been happier lately. We are blessed that we ended up on this side of the coin. No I don’t like the job loss, baiting, stupidity, evil, corruption, petty, amebic parasites that we attract, but can you imagine being one? Most of us can not. So though it take a lot of efforts, realise that our glass is still half full, we have retained our humanity, and as long as we do that, we are doing better than the vast majority of them.

As for me, I have been happy, I am going to continue to be so. Avoiding them and ignoring them has worked for me. I finally came to the stage where I do realise the vast majority are just not worth it. Again, I am not generalizing. There is good and bad everywhere. There always will be. Everyday we remember that, and maintain our humanity is a victory. These creature are petty, and irritating a target is all that they have going on in their lives most days, think of the efforts that are expanded for targets? We have life, and they do not, in many cases, they are dead, and empty on the inside, and they often do not like to have that truth mirrored back about themselves, but it’s true in many cases.

I could go on, but targets, be thankful that we are where we are, everyday that I am around them, or encounter more of their stupidity, it leaves me grateful. You don’t want to become what they are. Being a target is not great, but I honestly believe that what the vast majority of them are is something worst.

Keep that in mind, as you go out amongst them, and the best recommendation I can give, is truly to ignore them, they really do just crave the attention, and it’s what they feed off of, they are parasitic in nature. The vast majority, not all. I don’t think I have had to confront one too directly prior to today, and if you must interact with them, be polite, use appropriate language, and leave it short and sweet. Parasites in many cases probably have far more potential, and intelligence than the vast majority of informants in this system. They want you in the dirt with them, try your best not to be there.
There is good and bad everywhere, try to not generalize. So are informants stupid? Sure some are stupid, they always were and always will be. Some are bright and intelligent, but this system does not cater to the bright or the intelligent, most times it caters to the petty, and corrupt. They are always looking for a reason to hate, it’s what fuels them, nothing else does. It’s a system that has not changed since Jesus’ time. It’s a system that will hate one minute and praise the next, it’s a bi-polar system, and the people within that system are equally the same.

I find in a majority of cases, they hate without reason, they act without reason, and they feed off of each other. They do what the other tells them to do, independent thought is not something that this system fosters. Yet good still functions below the mire. Lately I focus on the good. Unfortunately if you look for stupid you will find stupid, even when you don’t look for stupid, you will still find it. I have stopped looking for stupid, petty and corrupt. This however does not mean that stupid, petty and corrupt will not find it’s way into my realm, but limit your changes.

Are they all stupid, no, but enough are where I have doubts if this society will survive. Much like the movie apocalypto, such societies, eat themselves from the inside out, and when the time comes, they destruct from the inside out, I believe these societies are entering such a stage, and it’s sad, because from the outside, they look very good, but as one who has witnessed the corruption, I believe these societies are in a problematic state, and will likely create their own downfall, due to the types of people these types of societies eventually create, which is sad.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/political_ponerology_lobaczewski.htm

 “Dr. Andrew M. Lobaczewski. Political Ponerology: The science on the Nature of Evil.”
[quote]
Pathocracy is a disease of great social movements followed by entire societies, nations, and empires. In the course of human history, it has affected social, political, and religious movements as well as the accompanying ideologies… and turned them into caricatures of themselves…. This occurred as a result of the … participation of pathological agents in a pathodynamically similar process. That explains why all the pathocracies of the world are, and have been, so similar in their essential properties.

…Identifying these phenomena through history and properly qualifying them according to their true nature and contents – not according to the ideology in question, which succumbed to the process of caricaturization – is a job for historians. […]

The actions of [pathocracy] affect an entire society, starting with the leaders and infiltrating every town, business, and institution. The pathological social structure gradually covers the entire country creating a “new class” within that nation. This privileged class [of pathocrats] feels permanently threatened by the “others”, i.e. by the majority of normal people. Neither do the pathocrats entertain any illusions about their personal fate should there be a return to the system of normal man. [Andrew M. Lobaczewski Political Ponerology: A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes]
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July 3, 2009 Posted by | Baiting, Citizen Informants, community mobbing, Conspiracy, Controlled society, Corruption, Covert investigations, East Germany | , , , , , , , , , | 6 Comments

Panoid disruptions. Active denials.

Active denial. A game the government likes to play. See this is how it works. If you let them mess with your life, then your life get’s disrupted to the stage where you can not function. If you do nothing about it, they will just keep it up, and go further and further.

When a target starts to hit back and show them for what they are and what they are doing, then they will in some cases back off, but they will try to make the target look like they don’t know what they are talking about. Go after the targets credibility. Make the target look crazy. What we don’t know what you are talking about. We weren’t running any interference. It’s just paranoia.

They used these same mechanisums with targets of Cointelpro, they do these things that are so hard to believe, that most people would rather accept that the target is paranoid, vs being deliberately targeted and having their lives disrupted in such a manner.

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/j._edgar_hoover_quote_4fb0

“”The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.””
Ok so I have been following up on the uploads.com thing. So I finally heard back from them. They want me to resubmit the ebook details, in a different format, that’s fine, but when you look at the ticket submitted you can see my first submission, and none of my follow up emails. So where are they? Whey did they not arrive? This again suggests that subsequent emails did not get through, cause the ticket was not updated. Anyways I will keep you updated on this. 
The blog comment not posting, that I blogged about I went back and it posted. The previous times the browser had gone though, but there was no message that your message has posted, and it would go back to the same screen. Now when I tried it this time. I got a nice pop up form and it says the message is being queued for review. Had I not blogged about it, I might still be there trying to get it to post, and repeated attempts might be failing. I say this, because this has in some cases been consistantly happening, the webpro news postings being one example.
Drawing attention to the dirty that they are doing is still in many cases the most effective way to get it exposed and in some cases stopped, but then you have to be careful because then it puts you in a situation of walking a fine line of looking paranoid if you blog about each single incident, vs unspeakable life disruptions.

For me it’s been not just emails about ebooks that are not getting posted, it’s business emails that are not arriving. Feedback that I need, etc. This would not be the first time business has been interfared with. It’s a part of their M.O.

Another example was right after those articles came out late last year in the papers about Gang Stalking. The Gang Stalking World website stopped getting emails. People’s emails just stopped arriving, or if they did arrive, they would be delayed for hours or days.

I tested the system out myself, cause you want to be sure that you are not being paranoid. What I did was I sent in  emails from the contact form to see if the mail would go through. What was interesting was mail that I sent that had spam titles from the contact form made it through right away. Other mail I sent that seemed or had titles that were something legit or pertinent just did not go through. It was fascinating to watch. What kind of filter can do that?
Anyways walking the fine line. Either drawing attention to the dirty and putting up with the life disruptions, or blogging about it and exposing it. It might leave you looking paranoid, but it’s the only method right now that I have seen that has any effect. Just document every thing as best as you can.

Like I said, the bounced emails, lack of feedback, and business mail not arriving has been about 80%, where before it was not this volume for failed email that is not arriving. The emails are failing on public as well as private email systems, and various email boxes, and accounts.

So again I do think the best weapons we do have are exposure, and some legal means if we can find them. They will cross the line as much as they can, till you push them back. (I don’t mean that literally, although getting their asses kicked could not hurt, but I mean it figuratively.)

The part that still amazes me is that we are in this modern society, we have so much interaction and places where massive amounts of information can be shared, yet this stuff still goes on, primarily in silence and that can not be allowed to happen.

I mean this system has consistently been in place, at the very least it needs to be exposed publicly for what it is, no I don’t think it will stop it, but at least when people talk about it, they will stand a chance. Again conspiracies like this are nothing new. Priest got away with sexually assaulting thousands of young children for years, decades, and the problems were consistently covered up by the church, victims families, and in some cases the victims themselves, because of the stigma attached back then to accusing the church of stuff like that, but when the truth came out, it was something to behold.

Most of the stuff that targets have been talking about like the 24/7 surveillance has been getting exposed. The Nasa whistleblower was kind enough to share that fact that “NSA Surveillance Far Vaster Than Admitted; Targeted Regular Citizens and Journalists.”
http://www.slate.com/id/2134398/

http://crooksandliars.com/node/25423

Anyways this really does still seem to be the only effective weapon thus far, exposure on a wider scale and awareness. Keep taking out the newspaper ads, maybe we should raise money for some bus ads? They would not likely post them, but this might be what we have to do. If you do hand out flyer’s, be careful. They could try to use this against you.  It’s a fine line we walk, between getting what’s happening to us exposed, and them trying to lock targets away for telling the truth about their harassment’s. I never understand why people think programs such as MK Ultra, and government experimentation go away? They don’t. The Tuskegee syphilis experiment would probably be going on right now if not for one person, and again remember that went all the way to the top with the surgeon generals approval, for 50 years.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762136.html

Again it went on with so many people in the know, but few with the ethical conscience to stop it, or who wanted to stop it, and the majority who were aware of the experiment felt they were a part of something good, scientific.

These governments have a log history of this stuff. Helping survivors of the holocaust with one hand, but then getting the Nazi scientists who conducted experiments into democratic countries with the other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
[quote]Operation Paperclip (also Project Paperclip) was the code name for the 1945 Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency[1] O.S.S.[citation needed] recruitment of scientists from Nazi Germany to the U.S. after Victory in Europe Day.[2][/quote]
It amazes me that something that is so systemically inherent can still be so hushed up, and then you dare to call yourselves democratic. That’s the thing that astounds me. This stuff went on in East Germany and we spit at them for doing this to their citizens, and Cursed Russia for what they did to their citizens by locking them away, but we are doing the same things. These things have always amazed me.

There is a time for everything though, and there is a time for this to come out into the open.

February 23, 2009 Posted by | Gang Stalking | , , , , , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments