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Gang Stalking Initiatives

A poster wrote in to clarify my opinion as to why I distance myself from some Gang Stalking initiavites. He asked me specifically about Ms. White and here is my response.

Ms White does several things that I am personally not in accord with.

She focuses on the Stalking aspect of Gang Stalking. Nothing wrong with that, but the few times I have come across her initiatives she has focused on linking this primarily to stalking and changing those laws. Nothing wrong with that, but I don’t believe this will change what is happening to Gang Stalking targets. Changing stalking laws will not change community notifications if that is what we are looking at. You have to name it if you are going to claim it.

I have always focused on the mobbing aspect of this harassment and focusing on the stalking aspect in my opinion is going to be less effective. I have from the start believed that mobbing and the way mobbing targets emotionally act out, best corrolates to the Gang Stalking movement.

Ms White has often criticized websites as bad sites, poison sites, etc, for linking the Gang Stalking harassment to government and state initiatives. That fine, yet other sites seem to get a pass for doing the same thing, and she manages to keep them off her credibility review websites. Ms White has continued to advocate Terrorist Stalking in America, a book that links Gang Stalking first to Stalking crews then to terrorists. She is always asking for proof, when someone mentions the government, yet never has the same issue with openly advocating something that even in her words has a wrong conclusion. She should be also screaming for proof on the Terrorist Stalking book but fails to. This seems to be a double standard that she has. I would love to see the book on her credibility review site, which I feel she covertly uses to attack others, under the guise of these reviews, but she is allowed to do what she wants to.

Ms White in my opinion often leads targets in directions that I do not often agree with. I think her site has loads of useful and valuable information, but when new targets come online, I just need it to be very clear that I am not affiliated with many of her initiatives. All too often they think that all sites share the same opinions and we often do not. In distancing myself from her initiatives, I hope to move targets in more useful directions. Get them more streamlined with things that might help them.

I have been on Eleanor’s forum, things always seem to move forward, but nothing ever seems to actually get done, but she conducts them very professionally. I just feel that we often disagree in various ways and I just like that to be made clear.

The FFCHS site is currently working with John Hall and a politician on laws that I don’t think will fix the problems in the Gang Stalking community. John Hall if focusing on Satalights, which is fine, but to get to the heart of the problem, I think the local initiatives like community notifications need to be addressed. They are getting good press and it feels like things are happening, like things are going forward, but like the time they got targets to write in with information about a multiple lawsuit, I don’t think this will work any better. Thus I don’t want targets linking the two, and thinking that we all share the same ideas. Thus even when laws get passed the angle that is being taken I don’t feel will move things along the way that they need to go, in the direction that they need to go in. That is why I personally have chosen to distance myself from the direction that those initiatives have moved in.

I also had a discussion with a lawyer, who blasted all the Gang Stalking sites, and I asked why? It was because he had a disagreement with FFCHS and possibly Eleanor and thus he wrote off all the Gang Stalking sites. This really opened my eyes, and I didn’t think that was fair. So thus now, it’s made very clear that not all Gang Stalking sites share the same views. Thus if I do an initiative that they don’t agree with, they are not linked and visa versa.

I also have distanced myself from a poster who suggests that targets write a wild Freedom Of Information Act request. I do agree and fully support Freedom Of Information Act requests. I don’t support what was being suggested. Everytime certain fractions and their so called authority are challenged, character assassinations begin by their members, and those affiliated with those movements, they have a consistent habit of doing so, and thus one more reason I often choose to disassociate. Very simple really.

Lastly those fractions prefer to call this Organized Stalking, and sometime ago, I had to really fight to keep the term Gang Stalking after Eleanor decided that Organized Stalking was the term to use. She tried to have the term annexed after four years of really hard work to get the term popularized, in favor of a term most that is not as popular and would have set the movement back. Again at that time, I had to have unneeded character assassinations from some of their members, website attacks, which always happens when openly disagreeing with them. So now I am just very clear about which direction I am going in and which direction they are going in.

Some see this distancing as attacks on those sites, but it’s really just to ensure my initiatives do not affect them, and visa versa.

I hope this answers your question.

April 30, 2010 Posted by | Citizen Informants, community mobbing, Conspiracy, control, Controlled society, Cults, Electronic harassment, Entrapment, Gang Stalking, harassment, society, Stalking, Targeted Individual | , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments

Credibility Review

What informants like to do. They like to use good information to pimp their websites. Mixing in the bad with the good.

I recently came across a video using the book Bridging The Gap. Now the video is for the website multistalkervictims.

This site belongs to a person named Eleanor White. Eleanor decided to create what she calls a credibility website. On that website she uses it to descredit sites. I have spoken to her about this practice, and what I think of it, but the practice still continues.

She has never reviewed FFCHS or The Hidden Evil, but she was kind enough to review Gang Stalking World. I believe both those sites also list government as sources for the targeting, but oddly they are left off her review list. Needless to say, I have blogged several times about what I think about this.

On that site she also used the opportunity to try to discredit the book Bridging The Gap, which has done well despite her.

This is not about Eleanor. I deeply disagree with her actions, but I am not saying anything bad about her in this post. I have pointed out several times what I think she is using the site for, I think it’s horrible, because new targets come online and they might be naive enough to take her at her word, thus making them avoid sites that are actually there to help them, but that is the idea right.

The video that I came across though well done, uses several books, to pimp the multistalkervictim site, which is Eleanor, White’s site. Normally I would not think that there was anything wrong with this, but the videos seem to link several books to these sites, when in fact they have nothing to do with it. It’s not a big deal in the short term, but in the long term I think it’s what informants do. They use credible information to link to sites that might not be affiliated to that source. I speak in general terms, not specific.

Eg. It would be like me using Terrorist Stalking In America to link it to Gang Stalking World. The two should never meet, it would be a classless move and simply not well done.

Anyways in my opinion if books are going to be used to pimp sites, then they should use information that those sites approve. I don’t think informants can use any old book to pimp any old site. Just my opinion.

This practice does not pass my credibility review and it’s not ok.

I think informants can cross many lines, but this is not one of them. .

April 27, 2010 Posted by | Gang Stalking, Targeted Individual | , , , , , , , , | Leave a comment

Battling Disinfo

Are targeted individuals any smarter than the people targeting them?

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/the-witch-hunt/

I like to think that because we are being targeted that we are in a superior position somehow to be able to work around disinformation, to be able to spot when Cointelpro Stasi type tactics are being used and to move beyond that but most people are not, and that is where we will most likely fail. I am not being negative, I am just going over what I have observed, and what has worked time and time and again and from what I can see has every hope of working again for the wrong reasons.

I have pointed out several times that you are lucky to find 1 out of 10 of these websites on the Internet to be true websites belonging to targeted individuals.

I have also pointed out that even when people start off being true targets this does not always last very long, remember the Stasi recruited heavily from within the targeted community, so more then half the activist were working for both sides.

We have seen in the past where Cointelpro went about discrediting legit targets and you would think that the Targeted Individual community would be immune to this somehow, that they would know better, that they would know what to look for, but most times they don’t seem to. They seem to be just as vulnerable if not more so as anyone else.

The other problem is people still like to gather in groups and many people still like to follow a leader, they like to feel that things are getting done, even when they are being lead in directions that might slow them down, they still will follow that course.

I have watched this over time, and in some ways I do not blame them, people want help, they want quick solutions, whatever will bring their torment to an end, and the scary part is, they are just as capable of making the same mistakes as those that are targeting them, without realising it.

This brings me back to the topic of these witch hunts, which are designed to look not like witch hunts, but a means to help the community, to tell the community what is good vs bad information. Do targeted individuals realise that some of this is going to get used to discredit legitimate activists? Do they realise that it will be used to promote in some cases those that are non credible, or not the most credible sources at times? Do people realise that it will be used to do what could not be done outright?

With these charming credibility reports, or witch hunts as I still like to call them, they are being used to target legit sites and activists.

For example gang stalking world has gotten a bogus rating, do you want to know why? Apparently because the techniques section is listed in alphabetical order, and Eleanor White (and sources) do not like that. (The same Eleanor White who is was happy to lead people on the vigilante bend), anyways, Eleanor has appointed herself and her minions the self appointed guards of what can and can not be used for the Targeted Individual community. So instead of just bashing people, she has found a very subtle way to convince people that what she is doing is noble, and helping the community. She is telling you what is credible and not credible so you no longer need to think for yourselves, just like the people targeting us, they are being told who is good and who is bad, and they no longer need to think for themselves. (Everytime I see those credibility reviews, I remember Harry Potter character Dolores Umbridge.)

The scary part about the human race is that people at times are so easy, they do the same things over and over again, but in different ways. If you ask many of the people targeting us, they don’t realise that they are doing anything wrong, because a so called authority figure has told them it’s ok, or wrong or right. I think there are now some legit targets that might be starting to take the so called bogus credibility reports seriously, and this is the only reason I am taking the time to try to address this again, before the witch hunt goes too far, but witch hunts are like that, and I see how much luck we have had stopping out own externally, only to go and let one be conducted internally. The irony of it all.

Anyways this issue has to be addressed. Are you as Targeted Individuals going to let people tell you what is legit and what is not legit? Who is legit and who is not legit? See this way Eleanor never has to target a person, no she can target their material, or website, but most people will put not internalize it that way. What they will do is take a bogus rating and think that the person behind the material is also bogus, this way no fingers ever have to get pointed, and as a new target, I am fairly sure this will work very well. Most people will never consciously realise this, but that is the message that is internalised.

This method is wonderful, because you again get to fire the bullet, without pulling the trigger, and if you don’t see the parallels to what is being done to us externally, with what the so called bogus credibility review is doing internally, then I don’t know if there is much hope externally in getting our informant force to recognise that what they are doing is wrong.

I am taking the time now, because I do not think I will be going back to this. It’s taken years to get to where we are, I addressed this earlier and I will address it again. For some reason along with the credibility reviews, there is an open effort amongst Eleanor and others to get rid of the term Gang Stalking. Having mulled it over, not only does this impede progress, but getting rid of this term, would put things into the organized stalking camp, a place where I have always left the David Lawson’s and others who I think belong there.

Anyways, I was going to try to find a nice way to do this, but I don’t think what people need is nice, they need blunt awareness. The same way I am blunt about what is happening to us, and who is behind it, is the same way I am starting to have to be more blunt with what is happening. There has been too much legit ground gained to loose that ground, to sources, that might have other agenda’s.

Remember people, these people that are doing this, know this will come out, when it does, they want to be holding the cards. This means they want their people, the 9 out of 10, plus their sleeper agents up front and available to smile and answer questions, and to be the ones running the show in the direction that they choose. The same would be true if I organised, there people would be littered in any organization that you try to form, the same as with Cointelpro, and the panthers.

For me I still think a leaderless resistance is the way to go, where there is information, but people do their own thing, because if one is taken down, others can remain. The disadvantages are many, but then the advantages are also there, it’s 6 of one half a dozen of the other.

Maybe it does not fully have to be one or the other, if there is a way that we can work together, but remain separate, I would love to see that, but from what I have seen, the legit are still being targeted, turned, or put away and others have a path laid out because it suits the agenda.

If you have not read bridging the gap, please take a moment to do so, because it does explain a great deal about what is happening and why.

http://www.gangstalkingunited.com/Bridgingthegap.pdf

Oh and I should be glad it also made the witch hunt, so it’s going in the right direction.

April 5, 2009 Posted by | Gang Stalking, Gangstalking | , , , , , , , , | Leave a comment