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Gang Stalking Initiatives

A poster wrote in to clarify my opinion as to why I distance myself from some Gang Stalking initiavites. He asked me specifically about Ms. White and here is my response.

Ms White does several things that I am personally not in accord with.

She focuses on the Stalking aspect of Gang Stalking. Nothing wrong with that, but the few times I have come across her initiatives she has focused on linking this primarily to stalking and changing those laws. Nothing wrong with that, but I don’t believe this will change what is happening to Gang Stalking targets. Changing stalking laws will not change community notifications if that is what we are looking at. You have to name it if you are going to claim it.

I have always focused on the mobbing aspect of this harassment and focusing on the stalking aspect in my opinion is going to be less effective. I have from the start believed that mobbing and the way mobbing targets emotionally act out, best corrolates to the Gang Stalking movement.

Ms White has often criticized websites as bad sites, poison sites, etc, for linking the Gang Stalking harassment to government and state initiatives. That fine, yet other sites seem to get a pass for doing the same thing, and she manages to keep them off her credibility review websites. Ms White has continued to advocate Terrorist Stalking in America, a book that links Gang Stalking first to Stalking crews then to terrorists. She is always asking for proof, when someone mentions the government, yet never has the same issue with openly advocating something that even in her words has a wrong conclusion. She should be also screaming for proof on the Terrorist Stalking book but fails to. This seems to be a double standard that she has. I would love to see the book on her credibility review site, which I feel she covertly uses to attack others, under the guise of these reviews, but she is allowed to do what she wants to.

Ms White in my opinion often leads targets in directions that I do not often agree with. I think her site has loads of useful and valuable information, but when new targets come online, I just need it to be very clear that I am not affiliated with many of her initiatives. All too often they think that all sites share the same opinions and we often do not. In distancing myself from her initiatives, I hope to move targets in more useful directions. Get them more streamlined with things that might help them.

I have been on Eleanor’s forum, things always seem to move forward, but nothing ever seems to actually get done, but she conducts them very professionally. I just feel that we often disagree in various ways and I just like that to be made clear.

The FFCHS site is currently working with John Hall and a politician on laws that I don’t think will fix the problems in the Gang Stalking community. John Hall if focusing on Satalights, which is fine, but to get to the heart of the problem, I think the local initiatives like community notifications need to be addressed. They are getting good press and it feels like things are happening, like things are going forward, but like the time they got targets to write in with information about a multiple lawsuit, I don’t think this will work any better. Thus I don’t want targets linking the two, and thinking that we all share the same ideas. Thus even when laws get passed the angle that is being taken I don’t feel will move things along the way that they need to go, in the direction that they need to go in. That is why I personally have chosen to distance myself from the direction that those initiatives have moved in.

I also had a discussion with a lawyer, who blasted all the Gang Stalking sites, and I asked why? It was because he had a disagreement with FFCHS and possibly Eleanor and thus he wrote off all the Gang Stalking sites. This really opened my eyes, and I didn’t think that was fair. So thus now, it’s made very clear that not all Gang Stalking sites share the same views. Thus if I do an initiative that they don’t agree with, they are not linked and visa versa.

I also have distanced myself from a poster who suggests that targets write a wild Freedom Of Information Act request. I do agree and fully support Freedom Of Information Act requests. I don’t support what was being suggested. Everytime certain fractions and their so called authority are challenged, character assassinations begin by their members, and those affiliated with those movements, they have a consistent habit of doing so, and thus one more reason I often choose to disassociate. Very simple really.

Lastly those fractions prefer to call this Organized Stalking, and sometime ago, I had to really fight to keep the term Gang Stalking after Eleanor decided that Organized Stalking was the term to use. She tried to have the term annexed after four years of really hard work to get the term popularized, in favor of a term most that is not as popular and would have set the movement back. Again at that time, I had to have unneeded character assassinations from some of their members, website attacks, which always happens when openly disagreeing with them. So now I am just very clear about which direction I am going in and which direction they are going in.

Some see this distancing as attacks on those sites, but it’s really just to ensure my initiatives do not affect them, and visa versa.

I hope this answers your question.

April 30, 2010 Posted by | Citizen Informants, community mobbing, Conspiracy, control, Controlled society, Cults, Electronic harassment, Entrapment, Gang Stalking, harassment, society, Stalking, Targeted Individual | , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments

Use what works for you

What is the correct term to use to describe what is happening in the Targeted Individual community?

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/gang-stalking/

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/the-witch-hunt/

Some would tell you that the only term that you can use is organised stalking, and if you use the term gang stalking that is bad.

I have addressed this before, but I am going to take the time to address it again because it’s important.

My primary feeling when doing activism is that you need to use the term that works for you. That’s my first recommendation.

There are many people who have been through the former East Germany, many who see what’s happening and use the term Stasi, or they refer constantly to East Germany and the situation there.

Other use the term Cointelpro to describe what’s happening now, and what has been happening to them. It’s like Cointelpro 2, so they use that term.

Some use the term organised stalking to describe what is happening, but this term in my opinion has never truly covered the full concept of what we are facing.

I have liked Community Mobbing because when I first tried to get members of the Stalking Community and the Mobbing community involved in helping us expose what was happening, the mobbing community understood right away, and were willing to help, the stalking community was not helpful at the time.

Snitching, this is a term I don’t think many in the TI community identify with, but after doing the research, this is my finding, those who were promoting the stop snitching message, we more aware of the problem that was ongoing in society with Informants than many Targeted Individuals were. The stop snitching movement as you may or may not realise has been demonized by those who would like to see the informant system continue as it as.

Which brings me to the so called deliberate desire by some to remove the term Gang Stalking and replace it with terms that do not fully describe what has happened to the Targeted Individual community, but to also destroy all the progress that has been made over the last 3-4 years using that term.

As I have stated before when a terms gains popularity and you try to replace it with a different term, there is a process of almost starting from scratch, this means all the previous efforts are almost wiped and the process has to begin again.

You loose ground and that is not good for any movement. The bogus reasons given is that too often using the term Gang Stalking puts people in mind of criminal gangs, but over the last three years, most no pretty much every article written on this subject that people can find in a major newspaper uses the term Gang Stalking, here is a list.

 
Are you crazy or are you being Gang Stalked?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter78.htm

Also a target herself.
http://www.shoestringradio.net/transcript35.txt

Shoestring Radio by Eleanor White herself. (exhibit B)

Welcome to show #35, recorded on July 14, 2006.

ROAD TO FREEDOM is a show by and about the targets of
electronically assisted vigilante or citizen gang stalking or organized stalking throughout the world.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/audio/2006/2006-GCN/02-2006-GCN/

February 2006 Szymanski Investigative Journal GCN mp3 archive
Sueann Campbell is a retired electronic technician who has been targeted for many years. She began working as an activist to expose citizen gang stalking and electronic harassment in 2000.

(Greg Szymanski) investigative reporter, and the shows he has covered, from what I can tell, used the term Gang Stalking, consistently, and the people tuning into the shows, don’t seem to have called him back with questions about street gangs.
http://www.mykawartha.com/news/article/2028

Follow-up Article on Gang Stalking
Allegation of gang stalking is again being investigated
Police probe re-opened after This Week story
May 19, 2006

Lance Anderson

City police have reopened an investigation into an allegation of gang stalking.

Sergeant Walter DiClemente says police received a complaint from a woman, sparking them to re-open the case.
Then we had the more recent articles in the New York Times, abc.com, and the Washington post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=By%20Sharon%20Weinberger&

The callers frequently refer to themselves as TIs, which is short for Targeted Individuals, and talk about V2K — the official military abbreviation stands for “voice to skull” and denotes weapons that beam voices or sounds into the head. In their esoteric lexicon, “gang stalking” refers to the belief that they are being followed and harassed: by neighbors, strangers or colleagues who are agents for the government.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13psych.html?pagewanted=all
Type “mind control” or “gang stalking” into Google, and Web sites appear that describe cases of persecution, both psychological and physical, related with the same minute details — red and white cars following victims, vandalism of their homes, snickering by those around them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/Story?id=6443988&page=1

Take the victims of gang stalking — a subculture of people who think their friends and neighbors are all secret government spies ready to turn them over to the authorities. The movement has recently spawned gang stalking support groups, forums and advice Web sites.
The mainstream papers have picked up the term, and local papers, and other sources, but suddenly there is a need to remove the term, and all traces of progress that have been made by using the term. More effective than other means that could have been employed to slow progress, but still the same outcome.
It’s more recently that I recall the full blown effort to eradicate the term Gang Stalking. It’s been played with, changing the name, and this and that, but it’s more recent surprisingly as progress was being made that the absolute need has come up to change the name.

I wonder since Gang Stalking is the term that has served the Targeted Individual community the best, if the real goal is to help the community and to not hinder it, and this really is about activism, why not do what has always been done, which is to present multiple terms?
Why the sudden need to put effort into eradicating the progress that has been made with using the a term that has become familiar to facebook groups, alternative forums, mainstream forums, main stream newspapers, and mainstream audiences at large? Why would you limit yourself this way if the real goal is to help the community and not to hurt it?

I say use what works for you, and stop letting those who might not or who just don’t have your best interest at heart, and the communities best interest at heart, tell you what to think, and use. I don’t think too many people use vigilante stalking anymore, thank God, but if someone did use the term, I would know what they were talking about, and that is the point is that we get the info out to as many people as we can.

There is enough room in the world for the use of the term Gang Stalking, Community Mobbing, Snitches, Stasi, Cointelpro, Organized Stalking, Vigilante Stalking, and a few others. Use what will get the concept across to the audience that you are dealing with, use what will help the community, but do not go along with those who do not have the communities best interests at heart, and eliminate terms, ideas or concepts that have served the community very well over the last few years.

That’s my take on what terms to use and to not use, use what works for you in getting the information across to your audience. Some terms will be better than others, but do not go along with witch hunts, and other efforts to destroy progress that has already been made.

April 5, 2009 Posted by | Community harassment, community mobbing, Conspiracy, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 4 Comments

Deconstructing David Lawson

http://terroriststalking.wordpress.com/

I have wanted to make this post for some time now. As many people in the Targeted Individual community may know, for several years, since 9/11 there has been a book that many targets have been referencing called Terrorist Stalking In America. The book first claimed that the stalking or harassment was being done by extremist groups.

Then just as quickly as David Lawson wrote the book, he seemed to go missing again. We were assured by some community leader that he was too busy and could not be interviewed, but a lot of things never made sense. When I started to do my own investigation into what was behind Gang Stalking, I started to learn ask even more questions.

If they were extremists how did he get out? He claims to have been in these stalking groups for several years, that he was one of them, that they are dangerous, and use intimidation methods to keep their members in line.

Anyways I recently came across a posting at who is a rat and I thought it would be nice to review the posting and go over it with my own interpretation.
I don’t know how many targets read this book, and went to the authorities talking about terrorist only to be institutionalised, or called the phone company to say that extremists were driving cable cars, or toss pop on cops, but I hope this interpretation will help future targets.

Anyways if you follow this link, you can read up on deconstructing David Lawson. 
http://terroriststalking.wordpress.com/

December 3, 2008 Posted by | Gang Stalking, harassment, Laws, Snitches, society, Stalking | , , , , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Gang Stalking

The term Gang Stalking. A few years ago when I came online I learnt about Harassment, Mobbing, and then Gang Stalking.

Two years ago when I first learnt about this stuff there was one website that was doing a lot to help and had some useful information.

The other terms for Gang Stalking at the time were also not very popular in the search engines. Vengeance Stalking, Organised Stalking, Cause Stalking, etc. There were all names that were not fitting and at the time google and other engines were giving the term Gang Stalking the most publicity. I also like the professional looking nature of one of the more useful sites online.

One of the things I did before starting my own Gang Stalking site was to network with other sites in the community. Not in the Gang Stalking community, but in the outer world, the place where we have to bring the gap.

Because of my work on getting things like Harassment and Bullying exposed, I had made friends with several other sites and asked if they would be kind enough to link to that specific Gang Stalking site. The friends from many of the other stalking sites did not identify with Gang Stalking at the time, which is understandable. Remember in the harsh client of a couple of years ago, just to mention of any term associated with Gang Stalking would get threads shut down, or attacks of you are crazy, etc. This has changed with hard work.

The members of the mobbing sites which I contacted, I think there were about 3 really good mobbing sites at the time that I was in touch with. Two of those sites readily identified with Gang Stalking and were kind enough to add the link to the gang stalking site, which I was still referencing to a couple of years ago.

Shortly after this I realised that things were going very slowly and that many of the sites seemed to be be doing the opposite of being helpful. At that time I was still on the forums, and you can really learn a lot of those, but there is a price at times to be paid.

One discussion that came up was should the name of the cause be changed or should a gradual shift be made to use something else. Since Gang Stalking might be confusing for some people. At the time I was still open to the idea and working with others to see if we could advance this as quickly as possible.

Any articles that came out about the subject matter at the time had gone under the term Gang Stalking. That includes the Lynn stuter article, Sharon Weinberger and a few others. Some were good articles others were not, but that was the spoken or unspoken agreed to term.

At the discussion which I was a part of I suggested if a name change should occur, community mobbing should be considered, because people were at the time finally starting to understand the concept of mobbing, how it worked, how it affected the targets, and many in that community had also committed suicide, or workplace shootings. As you will see in later research there is a reason for this strong correlation.

Anyways I asked the person who was running a popular forum at the time this question. How does a name change occur? I mean who get’s to decide if a movements name should get changed? Especially when we are a pretty disjointed movement. Just like tomorrow if we were calling each other Targeted Individuals and someone decided to change this, who get’s to decide? At the time there were several Gang Stalking sites, some hard to find, other impossible to find.

The person who is in my opinion looked upon as a community leader, said no one really decides this, we just discuss this and then start using the term and then take it from there. Really who get’s to decide since many of those sites are not part of the forum? Ah I guess only the members of that discussion and everyone else get’s left out.

I at this time decided that I really didn’t think this was a helpful course and decided to leave the term Gang Stalking as is. Those a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet, if Roses are known as Roses today and we start calling them stink weed tomorrow, it will be an adjustment for the public. Eg. Let’s try changing the name of Electronic harassment to shock wave syndrome, you basically almost have to begin from scratch and it wastes precious time in getting people readjusted to new terms and it does not move things forward, especially for activism online or offline.

The community really just needed education about what was happening. If proper content was used, in my two years online, people do understand the terms, and again with Gang Stalking citizen informants on forums fell into two, many three categories. The ones who automatically tried to discredit the thread as paranoid or crazy, and the ones who even after reading a thread still when, well I hate Gang’s anyways. Most of the general public that I tried to introduce information to, are quit capable of reviewing the information and understanding it.
It’s the same as Cointelpro or any other name.

I really do not think the people who invented the term expected Gang Stalking to catch on so quickly, or for the truth of the fact that this was being done by the government to get out. Remember these same persons that I spoke of in this article, till not too long ago, still had people chasing vigilante gangs, and I think many of us still would have been chasing those phantoms if we had not branched out on our own and started our own research.

So where does that leave everything? Where it’s always been. You have a movement that often have Citizen Informants or agents from what I have been told controlling some most aspects of the community. They have the share numeric capacity to control each other, and to control what get’s said, what get’s disseminated. Which terms become changes or moved around.

If they choose to go in a direction that is not helpful, you have to then stay on course. Remember for every step forward, they try to make sure it’s two steps back.

Most people that are new, will not understand or grasp this concept at first, or really will never grap it.

So the preferred term for me and for what is happening to me, and still for many others is Gang Stalking, if I ever leave off using this term. My second preferred term would clearly be community mobbing. Which two years ago was very helpful in getting others to understand what was happening to us, because they understood the term mobbing.

October 10, 2008 Posted by | Electronic harassment, Gang Stalking, mobbing, Stalking | , , , , , | 5 Comments