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Are targeted individuals any smarter than the people targeting them?

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/the-witch-hunt/

I like to think that because we are being targeted that we are in a superior position somehow to be able to work around disinformation, to be able to spot when Cointelpro Stasi type tactics are being used and to move beyond that but most people are not, and that is where we will most likely fail. I am not being negative, I am just going over what I have observed, and what has worked time and time and again and from what I can see has every hope of working again for the wrong reasons.

I have pointed out several times that you are lucky to find 1 out of 10 of these websites on the Internet to be true websites belonging to targeted individuals.

I have also pointed out that even when people start off being true targets this does not always last very long, remember the Stasi recruited heavily from within the targeted community, so more then half the activist were working for both sides.

We have seen in the past where Cointelpro went about discrediting legit targets and you would think that the Targeted Individual community would be immune to this somehow, that they would know better, that they would know what to look for, but most times they don’t seem to. They seem to be just as vulnerable if not more so as anyone else.

The other problem is people still like to gather in groups and many people still like to follow a leader, they like to feel that things are getting done, even when they are being lead in directions that might slow them down, they still will follow that course.

I have watched this over time, and in some ways I do not blame them, people want help, they want quick solutions, whatever will bring their torment to an end, and the scary part is, they are just as capable of making the same mistakes as those that are targeting them, without realising it.

This brings me back to the topic of these witch hunts, which are designed to look not like witch hunts, but a means to help the community, to tell the community what is good vs bad information. Do targeted individuals realise that some of this is going to get used to discredit legitimate activists? Do they realise that it will be used to promote in some cases those that are non credible, or not the most credible sources at times? Do people realise that it will be used to do what could not be done outright?

With these charming credibility reports, or witch hunts as I still like to call them, they are being used to target legit sites and activists.

For example gang stalking world has gotten a bogus rating, do you want to know why? Apparently because the techniques section is listed in alphabetical order, and Eleanor White (and sources) do not like that. (The same Eleanor White who is was happy to lead people on the vigilante bend), anyways, Eleanor has appointed herself and her minions the self appointed guards of what can and can not be used for the Targeted Individual community. So instead of just bashing people, she has found a very subtle way to convince people that what she is doing is noble, and helping the community. She is telling you what is credible and not credible so you no longer need to think for yourselves, just like the people targeting us, they are being told who is good and who is bad, and they no longer need to think for themselves. (Everytime I see those credibility reviews, I remember Harry Potter character Dolores Umbridge.)

The scary part about the human race is that people at times are so easy, they do the same things over and over again, but in different ways. If you ask many of the people targeting us, they don’t realise that they are doing anything wrong, because a so called authority figure has told them it’s ok, or wrong or right. I think there are now some legit targets that might be starting to take the so called bogus credibility reports seriously, and this is the only reason I am taking the time to try to address this again, before the witch hunt goes too far, but witch hunts are like that, and I see how much luck we have had stopping out own externally, only to go and let one be conducted internally. The irony of it all.

Anyways this issue has to be addressed. Are you as Targeted Individuals going to let people tell you what is legit and what is not legit? Who is legit and who is not legit? See this way Eleanor never has to target a person, no she can target their material, or website, but most people will put not internalize it that way. What they will do is take a bogus rating and think that the person behind the material is also bogus, this way no fingers ever have to get pointed, and as a new target, I am fairly sure this will work very well. Most people will never consciously realise this, but that is the message that is internalised.

This method is wonderful, because you again get to fire the bullet, without pulling the trigger, and if you don’t see the parallels to what is being done to us externally, with what the so called bogus credibility review is doing internally, then I don’t know if there is much hope externally in getting our informant force to recognise that what they are doing is wrong.

I am taking the time now, because I do not think I will be going back to this. It’s taken years to get to where we are, I addressed this earlier and I will address it again. For some reason along with the credibility reviews, there is an open effort amongst Eleanor and others to get rid of the term Gang Stalking. Having mulled it over, not only does this impede progress, but getting rid of this term, would put things into the organized stalking camp, a place where I have always left the David Lawson’s and others who I think belong there.

Anyways, I was going to try to find a nice way to do this, but I don’t think what people need is nice, they need blunt awareness. The same way I am blunt about what is happening to us, and who is behind it, is the same way I am starting to have to be more blunt with what is happening. There has been too much legit ground gained to loose that ground, to sources, that might have other agenda’s.

Remember people, these people that are doing this, know this will come out, when it does, they want to be holding the cards. This means they want their people, the 9 out of 10, plus their sleeper agents up front and available to smile and answer questions, and to be the ones running the show in the direction that they choose. The same would be true if I organised, there people would be littered in any organization that you try to form, the same as with Cointelpro, and the panthers.

For me I still think a leaderless resistance is the way to go, where there is information, but people do their own thing, because if one is taken down, others can remain. The disadvantages are many, but then the advantages are also there, it’s 6 of one half a dozen of the other.

Maybe it does not fully have to be one or the other, if there is a way that we can work together, but remain separate, I would love to see that, but from what I have seen, the legit are still being targeted, turned, or put away and others have a path laid out because it suits the agenda.

If you have not read bridging the gap, please take a moment to do so, because it does explain a great deal about what is happening and why.

http://www.gangstalkingunited.com/Bridgingthegap.pdf

Oh and I should be glad it also made the witch hunt, so it’s going in the right direction.

April 5, 2009 Posted by | Gang Stalking, Gangstalking | , , , , , , , , | Leave a comment

Use what works for you

What is the correct term to use to describe what is happening in the Targeted Individual community?

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/gang-stalking/

https://gangstalking.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/the-witch-hunt/

Some would tell you that the only term that you can use is organised stalking, and if you use the term gang stalking that is bad.

I have addressed this before, but I am going to take the time to address it again because it’s important.

My primary feeling when doing activism is that you need to use the term that works for you. That’s my first recommendation.

There are many people who have been through the former East Germany, many who see what’s happening and use the term Stasi, or they refer constantly to East Germany and the situation there.

Other use the term Cointelpro to describe what’s happening now, and what has been happening to them. It’s like Cointelpro 2, so they use that term.

Some use the term organised stalking to describe what is happening, but this term in my opinion has never truly covered the full concept of what we are facing.

I have liked Community Mobbing because when I first tried to get members of the Stalking Community and the Mobbing community involved in helping us expose what was happening, the mobbing community understood right away, and were willing to help, the stalking community was not helpful at the time.

Snitching, this is a term I don’t think many in the TI community identify with, but after doing the research, this is my finding, those who were promoting the stop snitching message, we more aware of the problem that was ongoing in society with Informants than many Targeted Individuals were. The stop snitching movement as you may or may not realise has been demonized by those who would like to see the informant system continue as it as.

Which brings me to the so called deliberate desire by some to remove the term Gang Stalking and replace it with terms that do not fully describe what has happened to the Targeted Individual community, but to also destroy all the progress that has been made over the last 3-4 years using that term.

As I have stated before when a terms gains popularity and you try to replace it with a different term, there is a process of almost starting from scratch, this means all the previous efforts are almost wiped and the process has to begin again.

You loose ground and that is not good for any movement. The bogus reasons given is that too often using the term Gang Stalking puts people in mind of criminal gangs, but over the last three years, most no pretty much every article written on this subject that people can find in a major newspaper uses the term Gang Stalking, here is a list.

 
Are you crazy or are you being Gang Stalked?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter78.htm

Also a target herself.
http://www.shoestringradio.net/transcript35.txt

Shoestring Radio by Eleanor White herself. (exhibit B)

Welcome to show #35, recorded on July 14, 2006.

ROAD TO FREEDOM is a show by and about the targets of
electronically assisted vigilante or citizen gang stalking or organized stalking throughout the world.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/audio/2006/2006-GCN/02-2006-GCN/

February 2006 Szymanski Investigative Journal GCN mp3 archive
Sueann Campbell is a retired electronic technician who has been targeted for many years. She began working as an activist to expose citizen gang stalking and electronic harassment in 2000.

(Greg Szymanski) investigative reporter, and the shows he has covered, from what I can tell, used the term Gang Stalking, consistently, and the people tuning into the shows, don’t seem to have called him back with questions about street gangs.
http://www.mykawartha.com/news/article/2028

Follow-up Article on Gang Stalking
Allegation of gang stalking is again being investigated
Police probe re-opened after This Week story
May 19, 2006

Lance Anderson

City police have reopened an investigation into an allegation of gang stalking.

Sergeant Walter DiClemente says police received a complaint from a woman, sparking them to re-open the case.
Then we had the more recent articles in the New York Times, abc.com, and the Washington post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=By%20Sharon%20Weinberger&

The callers frequently refer to themselves as TIs, which is short for Targeted Individuals, and talk about V2K — the official military abbreviation stands for “voice to skull” and denotes weapons that beam voices or sounds into the head. In their esoteric lexicon, “gang stalking” refers to the belief that they are being followed and harassed: by neighbors, strangers or colleagues who are agents for the government.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/fashion/13psych.html?pagewanted=all
Type “mind control” or “gang stalking” into Google, and Web sites appear that describe cases of persecution, both psychological and physical, related with the same minute details — red and white cars following victims, vandalism of their homes, snickering by those around them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/Story?id=6443988&page=1

Take the victims of gang stalking — a subculture of people who think their friends and neighbors are all secret government spies ready to turn them over to the authorities. The movement has recently spawned gang stalking support groups, forums and advice Web sites.
The mainstream papers have picked up the term, and local papers, and other sources, but suddenly there is a need to remove the term, and all traces of progress that have been made by using the term. More effective than other means that could have been employed to slow progress, but still the same outcome.
It’s more recently that I recall the full blown effort to eradicate the term Gang Stalking. It’s been played with, changing the name, and this and that, but it’s more recent surprisingly as progress was being made that the absolute need has come up to change the name.

I wonder since Gang Stalking is the term that has served the Targeted Individual community the best, if the real goal is to help the community and to not hinder it, and this really is about activism, why not do what has always been done, which is to present multiple terms?
Why the sudden need to put effort into eradicating the progress that has been made with using the a term that has become familiar to facebook groups, alternative forums, mainstream forums, main stream newspapers, and mainstream audiences at large? Why would you limit yourself this way if the real goal is to help the community and not to hurt it?

I say use what works for you, and stop letting those who might not or who just don’t have your best interest at heart, and the communities best interest at heart, tell you what to think, and use. I don’t think too many people use vigilante stalking anymore, thank God, but if someone did use the term, I would know what they were talking about, and that is the point is that we get the info out to as many people as we can.

There is enough room in the world for the use of the term Gang Stalking, Community Mobbing, Snitches, Stasi, Cointelpro, Organized Stalking, Vigilante Stalking, and a few others. Use what will get the concept across to the audience that you are dealing with, use what will help the community, but do not go along with those who do not have the communities best interests at heart, and eliminate terms, ideas or concepts that have served the community very well over the last few years.

That’s my take on what terms to use and to not use, use what works for you in getting the information across to your audience. Some terms will be better than others, but do not go along with witch hunts, and other efforts to destroy progress that has already been made.

April 5, 2009 Posted by | Community harassment, community mobbing, Conspiracy, Gang Stalking, Gangstalking | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 4 Comments