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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/10/081010-shark-virgin-birth-2.html

Ok. I know that you are all as fascinated by this subject matter as I am, not. Still it’s a really interesting subject. The correct term for it is parthenogenesis. This means a female egg will self fertilize without the presence of a male and she will give birth.

This has been know to happening with insects, amphibians and reptiles. Usually this happens after long periods without the presence of any males. Recently just to show you how far behind our science is, they realised that sharks have this ability, maybe not all sharks, but at least two species, including the hammerhead shark.

A female shark that had been in an aquarium died, and upon autopsy it showed that she was carrying a fully formed pup. Neat.

Could this happen in other species? Probably, but since science has not been looking for virgin births, when they see it, they probably attribute it to other things, such as long term sperm storage, yeah. If you are not looking for proof of a phenomenon, how can you prove it’s existence?

So if this happens with sharks, reptiles, and other amphibians could it ever happen with mammals? With this is an interesting question, and I don’t know if they are looking into this, because their science tells them that it’s not likely, that is of course until it happens. If you are not looking for a phenomenon, then you won’t recognise it even if it does happen.

The problem with mammals is of course by their very nature, they often take care of their young, and many live in communal groups, whales, bats, humans, etc, so the circumstances that would bring about  parthenogenesis in other species probably does not present itself as readily in mammals.

I think it’s interesting and something that science should try to look into. Since we know that when this happens the offspring has fused chromosomes of the mother, then we could genetically test mammals to see if this phenomenon had happened in any species that exist alone for long periods of time. Here is the story about the shark and it gives you a lot to think about.

[quote]Chapman and his colleagues generated a DNA fingerprint for the mother shark and her pup fetus with a procedure identical to a human paternity test.

Ordinarily, a shark’s DNA contains some genetic material from its mother and some from its father. Tidbit’s pup, however, was not ordinary.

“Every part of the fingerprint of the embryo comes from the mother,” Chapman said. “In other words, there is no genetic material from a father.”
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Since we now know that this does happen in nature, what we don’t know are what are the mechanism that trigger this effect? Is it a rear occurrence or something programed in all genetics to keep the species going? There are a lot of unanswered questions, because if you know what triggers the process, then you can say if it could happen in other species.

[quote]Examples have been documented in komodo dragons, pythons, rattlesnakes, chickens, and turkeys. [/quote]

This article is saying that parthenogenesis would not be possible with humans, but I don’t believe that for a second. Until we understand more about the process, what triggers it, and how do we know what the cells would be capable of? All humans start off as female embryos, and then with the male hormone they become male vs female. How do we know what processes would kick in under these circumstances in nature? Currently however science has not reported parthenogenesis in any mammals, but till a couple of years ago, they had not reported anything in sharks either, and thought that it was impossible, till it happened.

[quote]Parthenogenesis is not possible in humans because if all the genetic material comes from the mother, certain genes will be switched off, and the embryo won’t develop.

“For sharks in captivity, [parthenogenesis
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4909

[quote]A mammal that is the daughter of two female parents has been created for the first time.

Until now such a feat had been considered biologically impossible. But the mouse, called Kaguya, was born without the involvement of any sperm or male cell – only female eggs were needed.

In the same way that the birth of Dolly the sheep in 1997 shattered the dogma that an adult cell could never be reprogrammed to make a new individual, the fact that Kaguya lives challenges another one of long-held rule: that two mammals of the same sex cannot combine their genomes to give rise to viable offspring.
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If we can do this in the lab, why could this not naturally occur in nature, when we see that there is a natural process in nature that does make this possible for other species? Could it be that we are not looking?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-roared-virgin-birth-560837.html

[quote]The mouse was generated from two unfertilised eggs and its birth has demonstrated for the first time that it is possible for mammals to be born by the “virgin birth” phenomenon of parthenogenesis.

Scientists said the mouse developed normally to adulthood and had offspring of its own by normal sexual reproduction, showing parthenogenesis could work on warm-blooded mammals, including humans.
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What we need to do to set science on it’s ears once more is to find the process working in nature, which I do believe is fully possible. Again however, we need to know more about what starts the process, so that we can look for optimum circumstances where that can be achieved? Is it just removing males from the environment for long periods of time? Does the female need to be isolated also? Are all creature capable of this, or just some special ones within the species? What tells the process internally to start?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/belfast-team-discover–virgin-birth-13444103.html

[quote]Dr Paulo Prodohl, head of the Queen’s research team, said: “The findings were really surprising because as far as anyone knew, all sharks reproduced only sexually by a male and female mating, requiring the embryo to get DNA from both parents for full development, just like in mammals.

“The discovery that sharks can reproduce asexually by parthenogenesis now changes this paradigm, leaving mammals as the only major vertebrate where this form of reproduction has not been seen.”

Parthenogenesis – where females give birth to fully formed young without their eggs being fertilised by a male – has very occasionally been seen in some vertebrate groups such as birds, reptiles and amphibians, but has never before been seen in major vertebrate lines such as mammals or sharks.

The most likely form of parthenogenesis leads to less genetic diversity in the infant than the mother, leading to fears that genetic diversity could be eroding in shark populations if females have difficulty finding mates.

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Till science can answer these questions conclusively, I don’t think it’s fair for them to presume what is and what is not possible at this stage, because we don’t know enough about what starts the process, we just know that it is capable of happening.

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  3. Hi: about parthenogenesis:

    What about the hammerhead shark that gave birth at the Henry Doorly Zoo in Omaha in 2001? Same one? Different story? What I read, the lil’ one lived a few days, and died from a manta ray attack. The mom and 2 other virgins, were captured before mating age. No Y chromosome there, no males around, caprive almost all their lives.

    I did some math?? With 80 million girls born on earth every year, how many DNA tests do we do, to see if we have a clone? Even if there’s only one parthenogenesis girl every year, we’re likely to never know!

    Uncommon, yes. But probable, I say. No one can PROVE me wrong. Science just hasn’t looked if it’s possible or probability. I think we have to admit we just don’t know if it’s happening.

    Just my 2 cents worth, and I’m a nut who also believes in extra-terrestrials too; they’re making the crop circles, trying to contact us, but we don’t understand their language.

    Comments??

    Comment by Paul Millette | February 20, 2009 | Reply

    • Hi Paul,

      This is my way of thinking as well, but with science what it does not understand it will often deny the existance of, much like God, till they are proven wrong. I think it’s likely that this does happen with human, we just don’t know anything about the process. Since two female mice can create an embryo in the lab, the process should work in nature.

      I think you could be right about the crop circles I don’t know. I have gone back and forth on the aliens thing, why would be be the only ones here in the universe? There are multi demensions and the list keeps going. They could even be an older advance us, whos features have changed with space travel. I think Aliens could even be survivors of Atlantis, and yes I do fully believe we will find evidence to support the existance of this lost continent.

      There is so much in the world, and if we open ourselves to it, instead of trying to deny it because we can’t subjectively proove it we would be so much further along than we are now.

      I thank you for your comment, it’s so refreshing to talk about other topics.

      Comment by gangstalking | February 21, 2009 | Reply


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