A poster wrote in to clarify my opinion as to why I distance myself from some Gang Stalking initiavites. He asked me specifically about Ms. White and here is my response.
Ms White does several things that I am personally not in accord with.
She focuses on the Stalking aspect of Gang Stalking. Nothing wrong with that, but the few times I have come across her initiatives she has focused on linking this primarily to stalking and changing those laws. Nothing wrong with that, but I don’t believe this will change what is happening to Gang Stalking targets. Changing stalking laws will not change community notifications if that is what we are looking at. You have to name it if you are going to claim it.
I have always focused on the mobbing aspect of this harassment and focusing on the stalking aspect in my opinion is going to be less effective. I have from the start believed that mobbing and the way mobbing targets emotionally act out, best corrolates to the Gang Stalking movement.
Ms White has often criticized websites as bad sites, poison sites, etc, for linking the Gang Stalking harassment to government and state initiatives. That fine, yet other sites seem to get a pass for doing the same thing, and she manages to keep them off her credibility review websites. Ms White has continued to advocate Terrorist Stalking in America, a book that links Gang Stalking first to Stalking crews then to terrorists. She is always asking for proof, when someone mentions the government, yet never has the same issue with openly advocating something that even in her words has a wrong conclusion. She should be also screaming for proof on the Terrorist Stalking book but fails to. This seems to be a double standard that she has. I would love to see the book on her credibility review site, which I feel she covertly uses to attack others, under the guise of these reviews, but she is allowed to do what she wants to.
Ms White in my opinion often leads targets in directions that I do not often agree with. I think her site has loads of useful and valuable information, but when new targets come online, I just need it to be very clear that I am not affiliated with many of her initiatives. All too often they think that all sites share the same opinions and we often do not. In distancing myself from her initiatives, I hope to move targets in more useful directions. Get them more streamlined with things that might help them.
I have been on Eleanor’s forum, things always seem to move forward, but nothing ever seems to actually get done, but she conducts them very professionally. I just feel that we often disagree in various ways and I just like that to be made clear.
The FFCHS site is currently working with John Hall and a politician on laws that I don’t think will fix the problems in the Gang Stalking community. John Hall if focusing on Satalights, which is fine, but to get to the heart of the problem, I think the local initiatives like community notifications need to be addressed. They are getting good press and it feels like things are happening, like things are going forward, but like the time they got targets to write in with information about a multiple lawsuit, I don’t think this will work any better. Thus I don’t want targets linking the two, and thinking that we all share the same ideas. Thus even when laws get passed the angle that is being taken I don’t feel will move things along the way that they need to go, in the direction that they need to go in. That is why I personally have chosen to distance myself from the direction that those initiatives have moved in.
I also had a discussion with a lawyer, who blasted all the Gang Stalking sites, and I asked why? It was because he had a disagreement with FFCHS and possibly Eleanor and thus he wrote off all the Gang Stalking sites. This really opened my eyes, and I didn’t think that was fair. So thus now, it’s made very clear that not all Gang Stalking sites share the same views. Thus if I do an initiative that they don’t agree with, they are not linked and visa versa.
I also have distanced myself from a poster who suggests that targets write a wild Freedom Of Information Act request. I do agree and fully support Freedom Of Information Act requests. I don’t support what was being suggested. Everytime certain fractions and their so called authority are challenged, character assassinations begin by their members, and those affiliated with those movements, they have a consistent habit of doing so, and thus one more reason I often choose to disassociate. Very simple really.
Lastly those fractions prefer to call this Organized Stalking, and sometime ago, I had to really fight to keep the term Gang Stalking after Eleanor decided that Organized Stalking was the term to use. She tried to have the term annexed after four years of really hard work to get the term popularized, in favor of a term most that is not as popular and would have set the movement back. Again at that time, I had to have unneeded character assassinations from some of their members, website attacks, which always happens when openly disagreeing with them. So now I am just very clear about which direction I am going in and which direction they are going in.
Some see this distancing as attacks on those sites, but it’s really just to ensure my initiatives do not affect them, and visa versa.
I hope this answers your question.
Troubling incident recently.
I have mentioned this before, but I will mention it to targets again, and I would have you be on the look out for this.
I have mentioned that what I believe is ongoing in many cases to keep these so called cases of investigations ongoing are a great deal of set up’s, and deliberate provocations, so let me go over a couple of recent incidents that I have noticed.
What I have tried to do off and on is if I notice a troubling incident, I will try to report it, provided that I am aware of it. I am trying to do this, because I believe there is clear evidence to indicate that what they are doing during these investigations is that they are using other people who fit the description to try to portray targets as crazy, perverts, drug dealers, etc, whatever they are trying to portray you as, they will them if they can’t get you, you get what I like to refer to as doppelgangers to do the dirty work for them.
I use the term doppelgangers very loosely, because these people are not doppelgangers, they are simply what I call fits the description. In other words if you are male, 45, white, 6’4 that is what they would ruffly try to use. The person does not have to look like you, dress like you, or anything else, they just have to fit the description. So if they are trying to get you to look like a pervert, they would use someone like, and have them insult females near where you are, look at them, or watch children etc. It does not have to be you, the incident just has to be attributed to you, and this will keep their investigations going, it will keep the informants who are getting paid to follow you, employed, and it keeps the need for this system going, and going.
So Eg. If you are an Asian, female, 5’2, 25, and they are trying to portray you as crazy, then let’s say that they can not get you to act out in public, they will get a female, who looks around that age, most likely Asian, maybe not, and then they will have that person act out in public. What’s most disturbing for me, is that I have blogged about this before, but I have seen it enough now, to be able to confirm that this is what they are doing deliberately.
I think you get the idea. What I have seen lately on a few separate occasions are that they deliberately have targets who fit the description crossing my path, (I use this term very loosely, because they dress nothing like me, and hygiene wise they look very unkempt, and I would say crazy. One Saturday as I left the house about 4 weeks ago, I had one cross my path who was talking to themselves and carry some bags in their hands, seemingly mentally unwell, but that has to be determined. Eg. I have seen informants, pretending to be crazy, I mean literally sane informants, who are pretending. In this particular instance, I do feel that the person really was crazy whoever, just by appearance, and unkempt manner, but there is no way to tell.
They were going in one direction, and I was going in another, but the thing with the informant force is they do not seem to be required to comment on appearance, or state of dress. Eg. I am always well dressed, never unkempt, and for the most part pretty polite. Except if I am making sarcastic comments under my breath, or commenting on the snitches. This happens very rearly, but I am guessing that these are getting used as well, as oh target was disturbed and talking to themselves.
The other incident recently involved someone who was in my opinion clearly disturbed and talking to themselves, the person was much much older looking, very unkempt in appearance, and clearly not looking anything like me to any sane and rational observer, yet I passed this person talking to themselves and telling people off, I left the location where this was happening, and walked not a short distance.
Within a short space of time, I had the street theater begin. Eg. People trying to run into me, etc, they were doing things to try to provoke me. Now I was in a pretty good mood, so just ignored them. What was disturbing however was there was a woman with a baby stroller, she was deliberately oncoming in my direction, in my direct path without making any attempt to adjust where she was going, and as I adjusted, she adjusted to keep in my path, from a far away enough distance that there was no reason to that I could see, however, and this is what’s disturbing, but I am reporting it, because I believe my observation on this is sound. She looked behind her to the side, and made eye contact with the cop in the car that was right near us both which I had not immediately noticed, and even though I could clearly see that she really did not want to aim her baby stroller at me, after looking behind at the car for instruction, she continued to do that, the look on her face was clear, she did not want to be doing that, she was clearly being instructed, and from what I could tell it was by whomever was in the cop car, whom I assume was observing the deliberate incident. It happened fairly quickly, yet it felt like it was in slow motion, because I had enough time to see the exchange with her and the person in the car, so all I could do after seeing this, was smile at her, and encourage her to do what she was doing, while moving out of her way, the best that I could, because she kept a direct path at me.
I was so sickened, but not for myself, I mean what kind of a society is this, where you get a young mother to pimp out her kid like that? What if I really was a dangerous and crazy person, you were willing to gamble that the brave officer sitting in the car would get to her, before an incident happened with the baby? I am not wrong in my observation of this, but shocked and disgusted. I don’t know why I am disgusted. I have an idea of how the Stasi worked, I know with these community policing programs they work similar, I know people are being asked to do things like this, but when you see it like this, it’s gross.
The thing is if that really had been me having a bad day, they were trying to provoke an incident. See when something is happening like crazy person talking to themselves, the snitches start to put in their little reports, so I don’t know how long the crazy person had been set up and in position.
I do know that this is happening and the best thing that I can do is report what I have been observing. Now I have had the neighbours watching and leaving when I am leaving, and we have the snitch force trying to chart my way from when I leave my home, to work and back etc. Since I am clear that I don’t require the babysitting, I don’t appreciate it. What’s interesting is that when there are people around that I know, I have never seen one of these little incidents happen, but when it’s people that I do not know, suddenly these incidents happen. So I have no way of knowing how many of these incidents that I am not aware of are happening and being attributed to me.
Shy of my baby stroller incident that I reported, and handing out flyer’s about a year ago, which I have also reported on these blogs, these people in my opinion are continuing to stage incidents, using the doppelgangers and the fit’s the description reporting. We do not have a moral society, we have a Stasi society, and the corruption that when on there is what is happening here. I believe the incidents are in many cases staged, set up’s, I believe the motivation is to portray the target as whatever they see fit, and I believe that it’s also to keep these programs going, and the informant force employed. Much like a lot of the fake hate posting online are designed to keep up the appearance of a threat to society, I believe these incidents continue in the same way. Eg. Jiverly Wong was reported as a drug user who was going to rob a bank by an informant, there does not seem to have been any validity to this, but after his death, thanks to the police, these details made it into every paper across the nation.
I find that these little incidents tend to happen more when I openly talk about the fact that we have informants in the city, or identify one of their citizen informants as such. I don’t know why they care, it’s not like most of them are not informants anyways, I guess gangs are like that however and don’t like their members identified as such.
As I pointed out before, legal action is I believe effective, but only if you can afford to do so, and second if you can find a law and lawyer that would allow you to do so. As for me, I refuse to be followed around the city like a child, the only disturbed people that I have seen are the people that have to take part in these programs, I find it very disgraceful, that citizens are being at times forced to do such things. I think it’s one thing to volunteer to go along with something like this, there are enough bottom of the barrel people to go around, but what I saw and witnessed today was fear, and cohesion. The female should not have been used in the prescribed manner I described above, I think it’s wrong, and again I would not take the time to report this, unless I sure the observation was correct. It’s also not the first time that I have seen something similar, with citizens being coerced by cops in similar manners. To serve and protect, who’s interests?
What I can tell you is that this society is what has become paranoid and disturbed, with good reason, because when you are a Stasi state, you will have people in disagreement with you, and it’s sad to see something that I though was good, as something that is not. I don’t view the citizens the way I once did. They are still the very polite people I once thought, but what is behind this is something that is quite scary. A Stasi society is apparently a polite society. It’s also a society where activists, and dissidents are portrayed as enemies of the state and are dealt with by being made to appear as mentally disturbed.
The case against me and what I understand of it.
The gangstalking file.
[quote]The largest part of the award is the £640,000 awarded for future loss of earnings and a pension, and it is this portion which marks the case out as unusual.
“We have seen cases like this before a number of times but the court has awarded such a large amount because it took the view that this person would not be able to work at this salary level for a long time in the future,” said Tom Potbury, a lawyer specialising in employment law at Pinsent Masons.
Green, 36, had said she was subjected to “offensive, abusive, intimidating, denigrating, bullying, humiliating, patronizing, infantile and insulting words and behavior” and subjected to crude and lewd comments from her former colleagues. Her colleagues would move her papers, hide her post and remove her from document circulation lists. She alleged that some of the colleagues had ignored and excluded her, that her personal and professional authority was undermined, and her workload increased to unreasonable and arbitrary levels.
Her lawyer said medical experts on both sides of the case agreed that Green developed a major depressive disorder, but there was disagreement about its cause.
Deutsche Bank said it had not breached its duties to Green and denied that she was bullied, saying she had had a predisposition to mental illness. Deutsche Bank paid for stress counselling and assertiveness training for Green but she had a nervous breakdown before returning to work and suffering a relapse.[/quote]
I have read the above case scenario several times. It’s funny because the workplace mobbing that I encountered was very similar in some regards to some of the things that went on in this case. Instead of being on the winning end of a lawsuit, I am on this end of an investigation, which is being used to falsely used to portray me as mentally ill.
It’s funny, someone is dehumanized and degraded for several years and they no longer wish to put up with it, or emotionally can not, and the employer in this case a bank wants to place all the blame on them.
Part of what I have been trying to do is better understand the mechanisms used to place me under this investigation. One that has continued for years.
What’s happening to me goes back a really long time. As mentioned before, I first became aware of the actual Gang Stalking, about three years ago, but my workplace mobbing had gone on for several years before this.
At work I was in a similar situation where workplace mobbing was daily, it was continuous and it made it impossible for me to perform my job functions. I eventually filed a complaint with the human rights commission after trying to work things out with Human Resources.
Shortly after filing the complaint C. Coughlin from HR called me into the office, in the presence of my senior manager at the time and advised me that if I did not drop the complaint, I would be required to see a Dr Brown. If I however dropped the complaint, things would back to normal. This play was disgraceful, and dirty but not uncommon.
Apparently if you decide to stand up for your rights or blow the whistle you need to speak to someone, if you instead choose option b and drop the case against them, you are of sound mind and body. Fascinating how these companies work. They use these investigations to discredit and disenfranchise their enemies. They destroy people’s lives to protect their own interests. That’s the true purpose of human resources in these companies.
The harassment I was exposed to included slander, lies, derogatory comments, rumors, and a stimuli which was anchored to said rumour. The stimuli was what was used for the bulk of the harassment. Because I complained primarily about the stimuli, they used this to try to portray me as mentally ill.
Leopold Wrobel harassed the pensioners for more than four years, making them feel like prisoners in their home.
His victims, Michael and Kathleen Sharpe, said Wrobel had ‘nearly succeeded’ in destroying their lives.
Wrobel, 51, had been handed an anti-social behaviour order last December for harassing the couple.
But a court heard his nuisance behaviour, which had already lasted for four years, continued on the day the order was imposed.
The court was shown CCTV footage from cameras on the Sharpes’ property, which picked up Wrobel’s repeated whistling when they arrived at or left the house.
Michael Treharne, prosecuting, said each incident taken in isolation would probably seem silly or almost pathetic.
Leopold Wrobel taunted the elderly couple with the Addams Family theme tune
Leopold Wrobel: He taunted the couple
But he added: ‘If something happens on an ongoing basis and goes on and on and on, eventually it reaches the stage of being absolutely intolerable.’
Mr Sharpe, from Wingerworth in Derbyshire, told the court Wrobel’s behaviour had made his wife ill and she had started losing her hair.
‘It’s been devastating and it’s done what he wanted to do, to try to destroy our lives,’ the 68-year-old said. ‘He very nearly succeeded.’
His wife told magistrates they could not leave the house without Wrobel being there. [/quote]
This couple was harassed using a stimuli, in this case the Addams family theme. It was one man, against this couple, but he managed to almost ruin their lives. In my case, I was one person, and about 80% of the peope I worked with, including most of the managers were taking part in what was ongoing. I worked with about 130 people at the time.
The very things that I complained about, at the time and filed the human rights complaint about are some of the very things individuals are now winning court cases over currently, yet in my case, it’s being used to portray me as crazy, and keep a fake investigation ongoing.
Part of what I complained about is that a manager, let’s call him “hateman the hitman saw”, who was currently working in the same company that I was, had years earlier at a different company started a derogatory rumour about me. I stated in the complaint that I felt that this rumour had continued onto my current job.
Since I was once again working with this person, I had reasonable grounds to believe that this person was helping to fuel the flames of this degrogatory rumour, once again. I had grounds to believe it, because I heard back that this was the case. The bulk of my complaint focused on the fact that the derogatory rumours/comments had been anchored to a stimuli, and said stimuli was being used on a daily basis to make it impossible for me to perform my job functions. Eg. If the stimuli had been keys jangling, you would have the people directly around me, jangling keys for the whole shift, on several occasions, I had customers asking me about the noise in the background.
Sounds pretty simple right, not so simple, since the workplace decided to go along with what was happening.
After researching this, what I now know is that the stimuli and my reaction to it were deliberately created. I had worked with someone at the first job who was in the military. He had tried to sensitise me to three stimuli. I didn’t know it at the time, that it was deliberate, but I do now. The other stimuli was pens clicking, and the actual stimuli which I became sensitive to.
What I also now know is that James, and “Hateman The Hitman Saw”, were both part of the snitching friends network. What James did with the anchoring of the stimuli was deliberate. What I don’t know is if he did this on his own accord, or if in fact this was more deliberate than that. James outside of work did have military connections, so I don’t have the answer to this yet.
The other thing that was happening at that time is the same tactic was being used outside of the workplace to harass me in public. I was aware of this, but I was not aware of the snitching friends network.
So what you have is a target that has been deliberately sensitised. A corrupt company that wants to keep the target quite and stop them from going forward with a human rights complaint. I am not saying that this company is the only place an investigation could have originated from, because I have reason to believe that this might have started years before this, but I do believe that they used my complaint to the human rights commission to try to portray me as mentally ill, when really I was being harassed, and any actions I took to protect myself from being harassed day in and day out were fully justified. I will also state that the harassment was happening outside of the workplace, and the same applies.
So the target is aware that they are being harassed and a stimuli is being used. What they do in the course of these investigations is they try to incite and instigate incidents to further the perception of mental illness, or whatever the target is being billed as. If the target is being billed as a racist, they try to encourage negative interactions with persons of different races. If they are being billed as homophobic, they try to encourage negative interactions with people who are homosexual, if the target is being billed as a terrorist, they try to portray the target as such and make their actions look suspicious.
Since I have been targeted, they have tried the mentally ill angle several times and several different ways. I am aware that one incident that happened recently involved my handing out activism material to a group in a small cafe, about 7 people. I decided to try some viral activism, so I very impromptu handed out some papers directing the informants to visit one of the Gang Stalking websites. I mean I get people coming up to me all the time handing me flyer’s for clubs, and other events, or their activism materials so I don’t see the difference. However my understanding is that they are using me handing out what I consider essentially activism material to further the myth of mental illness. Right because naming informants as such and directing them to Gang Stalking websites is insane? Right. I really have to wonder about the shrills that they are using to make these types of assessments and then further disenfranchise targets?
They could in essence use a simple incident such as this and use it to get employers current to flag you. Yet is not activism what I do on a daily basis? Why should my handing out activism material be seen or evaluated any differently than anyone else?
When they can’t prove that you are crazy, the scope of the investigation might shift. It’s what I call a fishing expedition. Remember these investigations are often the life blood for many. The informants get a bit of money, lot’s of men get construction jobs, and they use these investigations to push targets to the edge, hoping that when they do snap, they will have further proof that the informant network is doing a good job. So every time they can put a target in a mental hospital, get them behind bars, to kill themselves or others, or just attack someone, this gives them cause, and in some cases additional funding, so it’s in their best interest to make you look crazy.
Recently what some informants did is that they started a group with a list of people. Many on that list did not ask to be on that list, but they started sending out emails. In those emails they used some racist or other language that might be cause for an investigation. So for example you find yourself a part of this list, which is in effect a group. You don’t say anything wrong, but others in the group do, surprise, you might find yourself being investigated, because you now belong to a group spewing hate speech. The hate speech will ofcourse have been provided by the informants themselves, but what does that matter?
I had another incident where I was in the park. I had put up with 20 minutes of some idiot informant doing stupid dogs tricks while trying to keep an eye on me. Normally if you were not aware of what was happening it would not be that irritating, but it was. I was grateful when the dog boy left, and was just getting comfortable, when yet another informant showed up, this one even worst than the first, because he just stood there and stared. Well I had it, and I just gave him a glaring look before reaching into my case to get something. I had just gotten some groceries and was pretty tired, and just wanted to sit there without being disturbed.
The next thing I know, the little man pansy is running across the park like a bat out of hell, and I am thinking what the heck? I have been known to give some pretty squelching looks, but I didn’t think I was that good. Next thing I know before I leave the park, there is a helicopter that literally accompanied me home on my walk from the park, and for the next two months I would become acquainted with what I call airstalking.
When I got home, the serve your drug sentence as an informant neighbour above me, decided to make contact with the neighbour below. Suddenly all friendly, can I come and hang out? This neighbour had never spoken to me before. All this other stuff and I am thinking what the heck? Apparently I came to find out that, man pansy, who ran out of the park like a bat out of hell, seems to have given them the impression that I had wires in my case, (which I did for an electronic device, I think a battery charger), and therefore maybe a bomb or incendiary device? So upstairs neighbour was just making sure I didn’t blow myself and him up, and the suddenly friendly Susan above me, as I call him, was just trying to get into my apartment to look around. Well that makes sense.
Now what really get’s me here is all it takes is the word of a snitch. They don’t have to be logical, or truthful, they can make up anything. Now to be fair to man pansy, I don’t know if he did it to be spiteful because I gave him a squelching look, or if he really believed I was dangerous, and I really don’t care. These people are told the target is crazy, or what have you, and normal behaviour that would normally never be questioned suddenly becomes oh did you see that, the target blinked, what do I do, what does that mean? They are irrational and dangerous.
The other problem is positive identification. There have been so many times where I know that I was flagged as someone at a location doing xyz, and I was not. If I could see my file, I am sure I would find several incidents that were attributed to me to make me look crazy, and were not in fact me, but the way these investigations work is that you are guilty, and you never get a chance to prove your innocence.
I have seen so many times where they give the signal that I am away from home, which means that they are following someone else somewhere, and this means that if there is an incident, it will be ascribed to me, and it will not be me. I have been on the train and other locations where they have the wrong target, but they are provoking someone else and I have seen the other person react. Yet this will be ascribed to me.
Corrections will never be made, because the target is not allowed any input whatsoever and most of this is based on the word of informants, staged incidents which are designed to make the target look like anything you want them to look like, pedophile, drug dealer, racist, homophone, crazy, you name it, they can stage it.
The other question I have is about the types of psychiatrists or professionals that are being used. Based on what I saw in regards to the articles that they wrote about Gang Stalking online, you have people trying to write a whole entire community off as mentally ill, when in fact these investigations are on going. Then when that does not work, you write them off as extremists or conspiracy theorists. Yet everything that has been stated just about, has been proven, by external sources. If the same types of people are being used to remotely diagnose targets as crazy, we should be very worried.
As it is, they have been investigating me for years. I was never crazy. I was being harassed. Because I choose to stand up for myself and take the company to the commission, HR used it as an opportunity to open an investigation when I failed to comply with the threat of dropping the suit. Since that time, I have been openly harassed, had my communications interfered with, had several staged incidents, some involving me, many not involving me, but all used to further portray me as mentally ill. I have never been allowed to see my file, or directly address any of the said incidents that would be used to portray me as mentally ill.
Normal activity such as handing out activism material has been used to portray me as mentally ill, keep in mind, I have never had anyone tell me that they did not want something being handed to them. So if this is the case, how can an incident be used against me? Further how can said incident be used to further try to disenfranchise me from employment?
What I do know is we have a very corrupt system. Many informants see about 15-30 minutes of skits and harassment that is running in a targets life 24/7. They perform their surveillance. The ones below me, play human target with my body, often using lasers, radar gun, pulse weaponry, what have you to burn my skin from the apartment below. They still try to do the sleep deprivation thing when they can, much of this by a human rights stand point would be considered torture, and against the law.
These people feel that it’s ok to perform such actions on targets that they have been told are mentally ill, or rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, users, prostitutes etc, because these groups are seen as less than human, they don’t feel that their actions are immoral, or unethical. They think that what they are doing is just fine.
Lastly again these investigations are the life blood of these programs. I had one person tell me that he was offered a construction job. Person had been sent to befriend me. The construction job was to be the benefit. They hire a lot of these people and they put a lot of money into the area around the target where the surveillance is happening and unfortunately these perks makes a targets community more likely to go along with, and take part in the harassment. Remember for the community doing the harassment/surveillance, they are often having the time of their lives, in some cases. They are working together, some feel like they are James Bond, it’s fun for some of them, so fun, that they forget that their is a human being on the other side of the door, as was apparent with the maintenance guy who was so caught up in his role of being informant, that he forgot that the target has rights and the target is not ascribing to their mental pathology.
I have said it before and I will say it again, these people in many cases are not smart, many don’t realise that they are being used to set people up and destroy lives. Lives like Jiverly Wong, Kimveer Gill and many others. When the target kills themselves or shoots others, they see it as proof that the target really was mentally ill, and not proof that their harassment drove the target to the end result. They then feel that they did a good job, that they are valuable and relevant and they continue on as before, feeling more justified than ever.
I also suspect that they have the odd staged incident that also further serves to justify the informant network, and the incidents further serve to make them think that what they are doing is valuable and relevant. When I researched the Stasi, many had been a part of the Stasi by choice and not by force and even after the Stasi fell, they did not see a problem with what they had done. In Hitler’s Germany it was the same as well, with many enjoying a sense of corporation, neighbourliness, not seeing anything wrong or malignant in their actions, they were just following orders, or the laws of the land. It’s the same for our informants.
Thus targets are guilty, we will never be proven innocent because we never get to see our files. The evidence gathered is staged in many cases, normal incidents that would not be questioned if it was done by someone else not under investigation, are being used to further justify their cases against us. When they fail to find proof for one aspect of the investigation, they set up other incidents, go on fishing expeditions and claim the scoop of the investigation has changed. This is used to continue these investigations indefinitely. Remember I recently spent time studying the extremist community, the informants are now trying to set up incidents to portray me as someone that I am not. Think about how this works if you are being investigated as a pedophile. You are likely to get emails containing kiddy porn from you friendly neighbourhood informants, and then the other informant monitoring your internet connection is likely to just focus on the content of that email. Or like the other example that I gave, these groups that you join, or that people add your email to, you have to watch what is being said, because they could use that to change the scope or add to the scope of the investigation.
If you spend anytime reading about how the police are abusing the informant system, then you might begin to have some idea of what we are up against, and then might be able to better protect yourself and others from these deliberate investigations, which have no end, and are continually staged to paint the targets in the worst light, real or imagined.
Is this democracy? No I don’t believe it is, but this system has been like this for some time, and as it spreads more are likely to be affected by it, so it’s very important that people become aware of how the system is operating and functioning so they can try to avoid some of the pit stops associated with it.
I was up early and I realise it’s going to be one of those days, trying to figure out what to do? How to help? What can be done for Targets of Gang Stalking?
I have so many things to blog about. Eg. Our algorithm is being suppressed, meaning that when you look up Gang Stalking or Targeted Individuals in the google search engine or at least when I do, you don’t get very diminished results. The same trend just started happening for the terms Targeted Individuals and Targeted Individual, both terms were previously almost 2 million hits.
Also I read this amazing report by the ACLU, and I want to write more information about that. If you get the chance, read this report, it’s a fascinating read for anyone who cares about what is happening with surveillance and information sharing in their country. http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/surveillance_report.pdf
Outreach and other communities we should be trying to connect with. I think it’s great that people make their existing online communities aware of what is happening, use the available materials and post it if you don’t know how to have discussions about Gang Stalking.
What to do for the missing and incarcerated targets? Little things like that. Even though we now know that we are not alone, too often, we still have our own struggles to go through.
I had been following a thread over at the Stormfront community, because Gang Stalking affects everyone, black, white, Asian, Indian, etc. Male, female, transgender, etc. Every social economic background you can think of. Anyways, a member of that community had reported some time last year that his friend was a target of Gang Stalking, he believed his friend, which is commendable, but on the most recent follow up thread, he posted to say that his friend had been institutionalised.
It’s really sad, because it does not matter what your view points are, (well it does to an extent), but the truth is every voice silenced, every soul that they muzzle in regards to this, brings the state one step closer to imprisoning us all. For those not familiar with the Stormfront community, it’s a white nationalist community. (So if you are easily offended, don’t go there.)
The latest thread was brought up by a person who thought that Masons were behind the whole thing. There is still a lot of that going around, like taking the blame from the government and trying to put in on one group, like Masons, Street Gangs, KKK or scientologist, etc. They are all taking part, so you can’t just blame one sector of society, it’s all of society. (By this I don’t mean that everyone is involved, I just mean that all sectors of society take part, there is a difference.)
Anyways it’s an interesting thread, and it tells me once again that just about every sector of society is in some way being exposed to what is happening. It tells me that some targets are very aware and some are not. It also tells me that targets are still being picked off one by one so to speak, and using the mental health rap is probably working really well. Targets need to have a plan of action.
The poster who was known as theninthtrust, who was very active on YouTube, is still missing or has not been online for the last seven months. http://uk.youtube.com/theninthtrust
I have not had any postings from apocalypto wanderings since June, He was a retired gentleman, with a tough attitude, use to work for the government. Maybe he is just taking a break from it, sometimes targets need to do that. http://apocalypto-wanderings.blogspot.com
Somethings that we are doing are working really well, keep having the discussions, keep making people aware, keep using the materials.
Things that we need. What we need are people who are familiar with mental health laws, and how the informant system works. These are two ways targets are either eliminated, (meaning trapped in the system or turned into part of the system.)
Emotionally we have been shown to be fairly good at providing information and emotional support for one another, so let’s continue of this front.
Freedom of information. If an investigation is ongoing normally you might not get these files, or if the information is in a secret database, or if they have outsourced the surveillance, these are ways that they get around giving out targets this information. Jesus Medoza has had some luck with his, JBH had to try three times before getting anything, the first two times they told him they had nothing on him. Donald Friedman, he kinda went to extreme lengths to get his files, but it worked.
These are some of the things that I want to blog about, but it’s already been a long morning, and
I just want to see what we are doing well as a community and what we need to improve upon.
Counter Measures that might work. Honestly I could go over each point and try to tell you what’s worked for me, but you have to find what works for you. Like any other therapy you might find what works for me does not work for you. Find your own path.
Different people find different things acceptable. Others have boundaries that they just would not feel comfortable crossing or have things that they would not feel comfortable doing.
Others still need to feel that they are part of society. So again do what works for you. I will however share some of my ideas, and things that I have actually done, or intend to do if in the situation again.
Again for me some of the most effective things that I have done is just letting them know in subtle or overt ways that I know what they are. I have enough info about what they are,how they operate to shine it back in their faces, and evil does not like to see it’s own reflection. (Also Civilian Spies/Snitches hate to have their covers blown.)
This has helped tone down much of the Gang Stalking in my life. It has not stopped some things, like the electronic monitoring/harassment. It has not helped me keep a steady job. However when I do have to be in specific environments, it’s helped me to keep my dignity and stay fairly true to whom I wish to be.
To read about some of the countermeasures please use the following link.
I will touch on a couple of points that I don’t think get touched on often enough.
Emotional Sappers and Intimate Infiltrations.
There is another motivational factor worth mentioning. Possibly, the greatest factor. During these covert group attacks, there is an energy transfer that these individuals, whether they know it or not, are looking for. The systematic vulturing during Mobbing & Gang Stalking campaigns is an intended robbery of a person’s life-energy. This is no different than sticking a needle in someone’s arm & stealing their blood. Eastern philosophy refers to these people as Sappers.
A Sapper is a person who is too sick, weak, or underdeveloped, to create their own life-energy. So they continually find themselves in circumstances where they steal or “sap” energy from a being that has already assimilated it into a usable form.
This is similar to an infant eating pre-processed food. Society is full of them. They are completely unconscious of this tendency. I refer to them as Psychic Fleas.
Others call this being an emotional vampire. There are literally some people who can drain other people’s energies. I don’t think this aspect of targeting is often discussed in the Targeted Individual community. It’s interesting because there are lot’s of books written about people who can zap other people’s energies with their negativity, or transfer their
negative energy onto another. Main stream books have been written about this, but this is never really discussed in the T.I. community.
I think it’s something that should be discussed, and also ways to shield against this. Ways that I find helpful are meditation or spiritual readings, the bible being my weapon of choice.
I also found a really great blog posting by evolve on the same issue. She runs a blog over at
Here is a small sample of her post.
[quote]Beware..there is a very creepy aspect to being a target that is experienced by some people. Its spiritual or metaphysical, a sort of psychic vampirism.
We all know someone who ‘sucks the life’ out of us or even out of a room but as a Target, one is especially vulnerable to people like this due to being beaten down constantly and never allowed time to heal, regenerate or re align with one’s self (or definition of oneself). The redefining of the Target as victim by perps and keeping the target hostage daily as victim provides opportunities to very dangerous emotional and psychic predators.
If a Target stays in one locality too long and certain persons become familiar with you who are perps who are involved with harrassing or torturing you daily, even at first if they seemed harmless enough eventually they will harass you to a point where they start taking your energy in a very real way..there also seems to be the ability for that person, especially supported by other perps that show up on teh scene later, to begin to dump all their negative energy/problems/etc on the Target. In this way once again you become a human sacrifice in the short term as well as the long term..in other words a Target may function as a scapegoat emotionally and psychically not jsut for the network at large but for individuals.
Great post and very insightful.
The other topic I wanted to quickly touch on is Intimate Infiltrations. Targets are often set up or used in this way. Either by having people try to get close to them, only to gather information, or to try to get into a relationship with them.
Since I found out about Gang Stalking, I have personally avoided this trap by staying single. I still get emotionally attached to others, but that’s about it.
For now the research takes up a good chunk of my free time, and really as a target I think the most sane thing that I can do right now is be single and figure out what to do next. This works for me, however it obviously might not work for others.
I don’t know how others are handling this, but here are some Targeted Individual stories you should keep in mind.
Mark M. Rich.
Looking back, this event makes sense. But at the time it didn’t. A girl that I met at a gas station on my way back from a camping trip probably tried to frame me for attempted rape. This was sometime in either 1997 or 1998. I think she said she was from Vermont. On the phone she seemed OK, & said she was coming to Boston for an interview. How convenient I thought. So we arranged to have dinner & she invited me back to her hotel which was on Pleasant Street in Malden.
Back at the hotel she would entice me to make a move on her, but then stop, change her attitude drastically & go cold. I’d stop then, & she’d entice me again. She repeated this several times. Sensing there was something wrong with this girl I ended up leaving without anything happening. Now that I look back, I’m pretty sure I dodged a bullet.
For months afterward I remember having a strange feeling about that episode. It didn’t make sense, but I attributed it to just being one of those strange events. The reason it didn’t make sense is because the feeling I had gotten from that experience was that she wanted to frame me. But I didn’t entertain this idea much because it seemed illogical that a stranger would try to frame someone. There’s simply no reason.
Now that I look back, I think she tried to get me to “cross the line” so she could report it as a rape or attempted rape. I’m certain this was a Staged Event. I think these people tried to get me incarcerated. Interestingly, in the summer of 2005, a relative who now participates in the harassment against me, used a metaphor to describe how he was blackmailed into becoming an informant as a result of a being framed for an attempted rape. My study of this group & its controlling faction at the top, leads me to believe that this is probably common practice.
I don’t know how Mark is handling things now, cause I don’t touch base with Mark, but I am sure this is an incident he keeps in mind. I also believe this is something used very often. This and the honey trap. The honey trap is the term Markus Wolf termed, for using Male operatives to woo, females and sometimes these men even ended up marrying the woman to get secrets from them. The honey trap works both ways for men and women.
This target is divorced. He says that since his divorce, he has been set up many times where someone seems interested, even makes overtures and then as he tries to make a pass back, they act almost as if he is doing something wrong. He says that parents have also tried to set him up by leaving him alone with young children. He has also had a fake harassment charge filed against him. Here is a small except from him.
attempted sexual frame-ups fail
As I have mentioned numerous times, since my wife divorced me in 1993, all my relationships have been sabotaged. At first, I had no idea this was going on, but then, a familiar pattern began to emerge in which a woman would indicate that she was interested in pursuing a relationship with me, and then break off the relationship abruptly with no explanation.
During this time, which was extremely frustrating, even heart-breaking at times, another strange phenomenon began to manifest itself. When I was out in public, for example in a bookstore or at a concert, women would deliberately brush up against me and rub their tits against my arm or my back or my chest. And sometimes they would be extremely YOUNG women — teenagers ranging from 13 to 19.
He has been alone for 12 years since the break up. This is just one more way that they can pull at a target or manipulate them. He says it’s been stressful, because what he wants most is to be in a relationship, and I think they know this. He also thinks that his wife, who he met in College was used from the start as a set up. They married and had two kids, now they are divorced and the kids are with her. A familiar pattern.
John Hughes also writes about set up with ex girlfriends.
[quote]No one at work asked where I was Monday April 15, nor did they wish to enjoin me in conversation with the lead in, “I had an interesting day yesterday”. My Alternate Girlfriend (Ms. L), who had arrived back from a week away in New York April 14, was also one of my confidants, and in hindsight, was very likely a cooperator. She also emphasized that I was paranoid, and that I needed help, and was attempting to convince me the Standoff event was delusional. Again I got the paranoid accusation followed with a statement of seeing a counselor. She continued on this theme a number of times until our association ceased (below). Neither girlfriend was very nurturative, and the Sometime Girlfriend got in such a stinking huff that she didn’t want to talk to me. These contrived rows became delimiting as to whom and where I could later find refuge.
My move to Seattle from Everett diminished the relationship with Ms. C, but she was artfully substituted with an ADD person, Ms. L.
It is clear to me that both Ms. C and L. were both planted infiltrators to extract more information from me, and to guide and set up events that served both the experimental and harassment objective. In both cases there were unwarranted and unsettling disagreements that blew up and prevented the relationship from deepening. [/quote]
[quote]Ms. L (my ADD companion) bailed out on me when the first apartment intrusion happened April 15, 2002. Although Ms. C was front and center in setting me up for the April 15 apartment invasion by sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD), I continued my on/off relationship with Ms. C until recently (06-2003). [/quote]
What’s interesting about John’s situation is that he said that the girlfriends were exactly what he was looking for. They even found him one with (Attention Deficit disorder) ADD, just like he had. He was profiled that well. I can not remember if John’s encounters seemed random or accidental, but I know other targets have reported that in retrospect, the encounters were very deliberate.
Vera story is also very interesting.
Assorted Attempted Set Ups
Part of the affect of men consistantely relating to me in this way was a kind of isolation. I got no moral support, or people offering themselves to me emotionally or mentally- it seemed the only relationships available were physical. This held true with women too, for the most part. Either they acted like friends and then robbed me blind, or we’d get a bit of a rapport going and they’d turn sexual. I honestly believe that these were all attempted “set-ups”. Whether for viewing at a later date, or for the emotional trauma that each successive, soured relationship would wreak on my psyche, the pretenses were premeditated, the approaches rehearsed.
[quote]I would often find so many similarities between myself and whomever I was just getting aquainted with (and too often ended up sleeping with). Wow, we even take the same brand of vitamins, and they care a lot about the planet as well, and I’ve read that book too, etc. When I finally really got to know some of these people they were the most bigoted, spiritually vacuous, nutrionally ignorant, apathetic people I’ll ever meet. But, they’d been coached. Like actors and their directors I firmly believe that these people had had the way to my heart mapped out for them. I really want to meet the producer. Perhaps I already have and don’t know it.
A guy asked me for a cigarette one day as I was walking down the sidewalk. Apparently we were both waiting for the same office bldg. to open, so I gave him a smoke and we chatted. He was of Native American descent with long, dark hair and a relaxed way about him. Ever on the lookout for a decent human being I accepted when he invited me to go to lunch later that day. (I am such an easy mark: Long hair, an interest in music and the environment, health foods…plus my chronic affliction with lonliness. Ahhh, hindsight is so clear.)
Another interesting thing about Vera, I think it’s her and not John. She wrote that her car broke down and this stranger drove back to assist her. She would years later realise again that the whole thing had been a set up, including the tire going flat. Just so that someone could get into her life. Fun stuff.
Rachel talks about her choice to remain, clean, sober and relationship free. The survival choice, that I think is the sanest in many cases, but not always the most manageable. I really like reading these posting however, because she touched on a lot of the emotional aspects involved with being a target.
Lastly there is this posting and I think one of the most important ones.
I was also contacted at home, in my personal life by a couple of men who work for the government… Brian Kohler, with the D.O.D. (I know this is his real name, I have been to his and his parents home in Fairfax Virginia. His father, Larry Kohler, works for the Pentagon) pretended at first to be in love with me, this was 5 years ago when I was more naive. He flew out to California several times pretending he was going to relocate to move in with me. It turned out that he was lying, and was actually stalking me for counter intelligence. His intimidation kept me from writing on the internet for about a year, but then I went back to doing it, refusing to give in to terrorists.
She goes on to talk about her contact with them.
[quote]About a year and a half ago I was contacted by another man, Jason Duncan (not sure if this is his real name) made similar contact with me pretending to be a friend interested in discussing spiritual principles. While at my apartment he staked out the neighborhood, and a couple of months later, stalkers moved into the house behind my balcony, built a HIGH wall, and they gather there harrassing me from behind this wall. After one of Jason’s visits with me I became extremely ill (I thought I had food poisening), and was taken to the emergency room closest to my home, very late at night, and was put out with a general anesthetic for 4 hours.
About a day or two later I began to experience people harassing me in my head. I can TELL they are using electronic devices to do so. I do not know where on my body they planted the transmitters, but I have found fake hairs protuding out of the back of my neck and behind my ears. My hairline is not the same as it was before. These tiny hairs come from my temples and go under the skin behind my ears.
These people continue to harrass me in my head, screaming “Stay off the internet” and “we control everything” etc. They also had me picked up in front of my house by a Long Beach policeman, alone with no name badge, who drugged me, met an LA County sherrif behind a dark building, who was also alone. He got on the freeway. When I asked “where are you taking me?” his response was “someplace fun”.
They took me to a secluded section of LA County Jail where I was brutally beaten, stripped naked, fondled and tortured by male sherrifs, and told over again that “we’re gonna smoke you, nigger” while guns were brandished in front of me. I was also repeated drugged with something that made me unable to control myself. I was held for 5 days with no phone call until my sister reported me missing. I was then charged with being under the influence of drugs.
As many know Ruth Died shortly after this.
I think every target has to choose how best to live. We do not want to loose our humanity, however we do not want to become careless, when we know that we are Targeted Individuals. New time more on shielding.
- Above top secret
- Abu Ghraib
- Active denial
- Active Denial Weapons
- as the world turns
- Asain Male
- Asian Female
- Astral Plane
- Background records checks
- bad luck
- Black female
- Black Females
- Black Male
- black women
- Brain reading device
- Britney Spears
- brown coats
- Buffy The Vampire Slayer
- changing vibrations
- Citizen Informants
- Civilian Spies
- Community harassment
- community mobbing
- community policing
- concentration camps
- constitutional change
- Controlled society
- Covert investigations
- Cultural diversity and multiculturalism
- david icke
- devinci code
- domestic spying
- East Germany
- electromagnetic frequency
- Electronic harassment
- Emotional Vampires
- False Prophets
- files updated
- Gang Stalking
- government corruption
- GPS tracking
- Guantanamo Bay
- Health and Safety
- Heath Ledger
- High technology
- Honey Trap
- Indigo Ribbon
- Intimate Infiltarations
- Jeremy Blake
- Joan of Ark
- John Lennon
- Kilmeer Gill
- Lord Of The Rings
- Marian Fisher
- Mark M Rich
- Markus Wolf
- Martin Luther King Jr
- Meat production
- mental concentration camps
- metropolitan police
- militarized police force
- Mind Control
- Mind Reading
- Minority women
- Naomi Ebersole
- National Security Letters
- Neurolinguistic programing
- New World Order
- one handed signals
- Online Stalking
- Passive Aggressive Manipulative
- Personal Identifiers
- Police Abuse
- Police Corruption
- Police State
- Production Company
- psychological harassment
- Quantum Physics
- Record keeping
- records updated
- Red Squads
- Robot Sentient Project
- Rosa Parks
- School Shooting
- sexual harassment
- sign language
- Skin Heads
- Social Control
- Spy cameras
- spy satellites
- State target
- Stop snitching
- Targeted Individual
- The Matrix
- Theresa Duncan
- Third wave
- Thought Police
- Threat Assessment Teams
- time travel
- twilight zone
- violent persons registry
- Voice to skull
- walls of jericho
- whistle blower
- white female
- White Male
- workplace mobbing
- Young and the restless
- zero tollerance