Now at this stage I can only vouch for my own site(s), I can not and do not vouch for anyone else, because just like in Stasi Germany, things are not always what they seem to be. However I did want to post an interesting status update from a none related site that I found interesting.
June 8, 2010
Current Political/Social Situation
Before I begin my message to family & friends, here is a brief summary of the current political situation as I understand it. The evidence which supports the claims I make in this update have been somewhat provided in my book The Hidden Evil: The Financial Elite’s Covert War Against the Civilian Population. It will be expanded upon in my future book, New World War: Revolutionary Methods for Political Control.
The claims that I’ll be making here which will be supported by future evidence include:
* That advanced surveillance technology is now being used on citizens by the military.
* A detailed profile of the psychopaths who are running society & using the military to attack citizens citizens with electronic warfare (EW) & psychological operations (PsyOp).
* That the military is entirely integrated into our cities & towns & is being used by Wall Street to attack its enemies.
* That a war, which is just as real as any other war that has taken place in history, is in fact taking place in your cities & towns.
* The characteristics of this new war.
* That the medical industry, & the mental health system in particular, are entirely corrupted & provide cover for it. And that the financial elite are using fabricated mental illnesses, which do not exist according to science, to conceal their targeting of citizens in this new war.
For about the last five years I’ve researched this have have discovered, beyond doubt, that our society is run by a group of some very wealthy families that exhibit psychopathic traits. Psychopathy constitutes a deep division in the human race, deeper than race or gender. Rather than suffering from a mental illness, psychopaths can more accurately be described as a subspecies of human beings, with normal people representing another subspecies.
These upper-level, intelligent, wealthy predators who run the system from the top, function just beyond the general public’s ability to detect them. However, their personality profiles & methods they use to establish control over countries has been recently documented.
They have taken great care to gain control over the NGOs & mental health system in order to conceal any major effort at exposing them. This is the standard practice of any group of wealthy psychopaths that routinely forms active networks to establish control over a society.
They have much experience using these institutions to conceal themselves which they gained from setting up dictatorships in Communist Russia & Nazi Germany. These wealthy psychopaths have been responsible for every major war for at least the last 100 years.
They have been setting this up for decades. If the current system, which they have already established & which is being secured by this global revolution can’t be stopped, then at the very least it can be documented so that future civilizations know that they existed.
Evidence suggests that these people of wealth have been using the US Army’s 4th Psychological Operations Group (4th POG) & other factions of the military to reach down into your neighborhoods, literally into your homes, & selectively psychologically torture people with absolute impunity.
The mental health system, which they control, is providing complete cover for them with mental illnesses that have no scientific basis whatsoever. Evidence which shows a pattern of them establishing control over the social sciences to conceal their sick system, including their control of the mental health system as well as the nonexistence of schizophrenia spectrum disorders, will be provided in my book.
Although this is part of a wider political objective, they often use the resources under their control to attack people for no reason other than the sick amusement they receive from watching them suffer. This is consistent with their psychopathic traits.
Fake mental illnesses found in the clinical practice guidelines written by their authors have not only allowed them to torture people with no restrictions, they have allowed them to circumvent the legal system & remove people from society who they believe have violated their political & social rules, & are therefore, a threat to their rule.
To wage their new war, these wealthy elites are using the multinational force (MNF), which is an interagency effort consisting of a host nation’s law enforcement, federal agencies, military, & other instruments of power.
The new enemy includes groups & individuals who exist among the civilian population & who will be the subject of constant 24/7 surveillance that is highly intrusive. They will be denied sanctuary everywhere. Anyone who is suspected of giving refuge to the enemy is also an enemy.
The battlefield (now called the battlespace) is your cities & towns. The civilian population is used by the military to attack the new enemy with PsyOp themes. This effort is part of an alliance between the military & civilian population during civil-military operations (CMO).
C2 centers (domestic war rooms) have been setup all across the planet in the civilian sector to direct these operations. Psychological operations (PsyOp) & electronic warfare (EW), including directed energy weapons, are relentlessly used on the enemy over an extended period of time to wear them down. Every instrument of national power is used against the enemy.
I am now targeted by a single psychopathic mind which is the embodiment of this sick system. It uses all of the resources of the state to attack me. In my book I’ll provide evidence that this mind in fact exists & that it runs our society.
I am under constant (constant means constant) 24/7 surveillance every single place I go by a C4ISR system with artificial intelligence connected to a directed energy weapons platform. I am only one of many that is now being attacked by this monster. This system, which will be explained in more detail in my book, is being used to electronically torture many individuals.
I am also severely gang stalked out in public by the civilian defense network. The battleswarms which the network conducts are computer generated. This defense network, which has existed in some form since at least 1917, is entirely merged into our society, just as it was in East Germany & Communist Russia.
Each internal & external environment that I have been in for any length of time is psychologically prepared by the military to convey PsyOp messages of violence. It is also packed with objects to physically block me & to create a claustrophobic effect. In future updates I’ll explain how they have attempted to control my environment as much as possible.
Message to Friends & Family
I know you are handled by the security forces every single time I’m around you & that you are forced to attack me. I understand that you are being directed by them in real-time with advanced surveillance technology that includes the transmission of instructions directly into your auditory pathways. I realize that you will deny this. I also know, that, despite your honest intentions of welcoming me, you are seriously, even painfully, inconvenienced.
They have blocked me from finding employment. By placing an electronic wall around all of my communications they have prevented me from seizing any realistic opportunities. Quite arrogantly, they often let me know they are doing so.
Although the attacks occurred at the last farm I was at for several years, I was able to work & continue my studies. That has ended. At farm I’m currently at & will be leaving soon, they have created a situation where they forced these people to act in certain ways & to request things that they knew I would not go along, & which would result in my resignation.
Because I am currently not aware of any other practical option, & all other opportunities have been blocked, I will be living in the streets for now. Living with relatives for an extended length of time is not an option because I know what they must go through. Boston is the best place because of the developed transportation system, libraries, & because I’ll be closer to family & friends.
I realize this seems absurd. But there is no normal solution for this because it is not a normal issue. The reality of the situation is that the people who run our society are psychopaths & they are attacking me. They have not allowed me any viable opportunities in the system that they run. This is happening & I am not the only one.
It is repeatedly communicated to me that they are having a good laugh while doing so. They find it entertaining & empowering to use their security forces to do these things. I have learned that this mind considers it to be a matter of its personal survival to kill certain types of people. Because I have studied this mind, I understand why it is attacking me & why it thinks it must destroy me.
Living sporadically or mostly in the street is a dangerous position for me to be in. They have frequently communicated to me that they have arranged to have some grotesque things done to me. I realize that I will continue to be persecuted in a sick society that they rule over unto death.
From the standard viewpoint that contains the typical societal values, it would seem that my personality has contracted. However, in reality, the exact opposite is true. I have moved forward. I refuse to go along with their sickness. I refuse to be complicit in their big lie, even if I am the only person on earth who does so.
I realize that it is essential for my growth & for the benefit of society that I participate in some societal functions. However, I will never acknowledge this as healthy. I will frequently, sometimes spontaneously, make comments regarding the true nature of this society, at any time I choose. It is important that the mostly normal & decent people living under their rule understand that they are in serious danger.
I will continue with my studies despite the change in the environment. I will be spending much time at the Boston Public Library, where the security forces will be blocking my efforts. I am almost finished with my new book. I will begin the next one shortly after.
I realize that they will not allow you to acknowledge that this is occurring in our society when I’m in your company. I understand that 911 was, without any doubt whatsoever, an inside job, & that the Oklahoma City bombing was as well. I have given you information regarding these & other activities that these psychopaths have instigated as a pretext to setup their system of control. They have prevented us from communicating facts relating to these & other events.
In other countries that these wealthy psychopaths have established dictatorships in, the security forces have concealed their targeting of civilians by ordering the friends & family members of their targets to have them forcefully committed.
If the security forces compel you to imply that certain conditions (or new rules as they’re described in schizophrenia literature written by Wall Street’s agents), specifically, ones that limit my activities to expose what is happening or to prevent my personal growth must be met in order for me to be among you, I will refuse. And if this occurs, I realize that they may force you to have me committed. If this happens I understand that it is not you. However, it means I’ll have done everything within my ability to expose these monsters up until that point.
You should understand that I will continue to do anything I choose to at any time. I will not pretend that this monster is not reaching down into our cities & towns & murdering people, because it is. It does exist.
If they make you suggest that I see a mental health specialist I will refuse because I know that the entire system is corrupted & that the mental health system is a complete lie. If the police & a team of mental health specialists are called to have me evaluated I will not physically resist them. Instead, I will speak the truth as I understand it up until the moment they forcefully inject me with neuroleptics.
If I am taken away, mental health specialists being handled by the MNF will provide concealment for the system. They will do this, despite any scientific evidence or facts that I give them which refute the existence of the thought or emotional disorders which they will be evaluating me for.
The military has so far not been successful in psychologically killing me with EW & PsyOp. So, at the very least, the evaluating clinicians will be used to create some type of circumstance in order to limit my activities & slow me down. I realize that these mental hospitals are entirely run by the security forces, just as they are in China & Russia. If I ever make it out I will continue my work.
I understand that you may not have a choice. However, the following are typical reasons that friends & relatives of targets have had them forcefully committed:
* Danger to Self. I am not a danger to myself. I have, however, done an excellent job so far of minimizing the effects of the EW & PsyOp attacks by the military which is under the complete control of Wall Street.
* Danger to Others. I would not physically harm another person, unless they placed me in immediate danger, & had the motive, means, & capability to harm me, & left me with no reasonable escape route that I was aware of.
* Unable to Care for Myself. Despite being mobbed out of employment & denied opportunities, I have taken care of myself well & will continue to do so. The MNF has restricted my income to a family member who provides me with some finances. This may change in the future. Even if they deny me refuge to the point where I am homeless & can’t perform standard hygiene, I will still continue with all of the mental, emotional, & physical exercises that I do to maintain myself, as much as possible. Under the worst circumstances, I will continue to maintain myself in some manner.
* Inability to Maintain Employment. Yes, I have been consistently mobbed out of employment. I have also been blocked by the the MNF from obtaining it. They have placed an electronic dome around me & others to accomplish this, which they’ve stated they’d do in their own documentation.
* Homeless. It looks as though I will be homeless soon. If so, I will be in danger (danger to self). However, in reality, I have been in serious danger & have been attacked viciously for years but have managed so far OK. When the factual evidence is considered, the real danger lies in the mental hospitals that are run by the security forces, where I would be forcefully injected with neuroleptics that destroy my mind & body, by degenerate psychiatrists, to cure an illness that in fact does not exist. All done under the guise of providing medical treatment to cover a sick system run by psychopaths. There is absolutely no comparison between living out on the street or being confined to a mental hospital.
* Suicidal Tendencies. I have none. I plan on living a long time. I plan on writing many books. I will continue to research & document this & related subjects.
* Delusions of Persecution. I am being persecuted. The military has this electronic warfare technology. They established these citizen informant networks as far back as 1917. The informant network is used by the military to convey PsyOp themes (delusions of reference in the DSM-IV) & to conduct battleswarms (developed by RAND & MITRE corporations) to destroy Wall Street’s enemies. These weapons & tactics are used to relentlessly attack (persecute) the new enemy over an extended period of time. This characteristic symptom of schizophrenia is consistent with persecution mania, a symptom of sluggish schizophrenia used by the security forces in Communist Russia (built by Wall Street), to have people forcefully committed.
* Believes Friends & Relatives are Participating in the Persecution. The handling of friends & relatives by the security forces is consistent with the practices of the Committee for State Security (KGB) in Communist Russia & the Ministry for State Security (MFS) in Communist East Germany. This has also been done by the FBI in the United States during COINTELPRO. All family & friends (every single one that I have been in regular contact with) are being handled by the military & used to convey PsyOp themes (attacks) which are transmitted through various communications channels. The DOD has declared that no possible method of communication will be immune from these PsyOp attacks, & that every person & source that the enemy relies on will be interfered with. All of my friends & relatives which I have been in recent contact with, are, in reality, being used by the military to attack me. How the military accomplishes this, including a detailed description of PsyOp, will be explained in my book.
* Auditory Hallucinations. I am being attacked with technology that is a scientific fact. Its existence cannot be denied. Microwave hearing attacks are being used to torment me. Not only does this technology exist, the military has indicated that it will be used for such purposes.
These signs & symptoms of thought disorders such as schizophrenia spectrum disorders & emotional disorders such as manic depression (bipolar disorder), match exactly the technology & methods that are now used by the MNF which is being used to destroy people for Wall Street.
In addition, these symptoms do not remotely resemble the original ones reported by early proponents of the disease model, such as Emil Kraepelin & Eugen Bleuler, the works of which schizophrenia spectrum disorders are based on. They have been added over a period of time to new versions of the DSM, written by drug corporations, for profit & to provide cover for their system.
The US Government has been overthrown. The elections are complete facades used to deceive the people into thinking that they have a choice. Congress has been entirely subverted & is helping these people of wealth enslave the population.
Your neighborhoods, right now, are a war zone. Your friends, relatives, neighbors, & coworkers are being attacked. The wealthy psychopaths who run our society are using the security forces to eliminate people who are a threat to their rule as well as for their sick entertainment.
This is one of the biggest stories of our lifetime. The mainstream media will never cover this properly. The mental health system will continue to provide cover for it, as will Congress. I did not discover this. Others did. I researched it, expanded upon it, & have been able to explain it rationally using factual evidence, all of which will be provided in my book.
It doesn’t have to be this way. Decency can be restored. The next holocaust can be avoided. I believe that it first starts with acknowledging–yes, once more, it has happened again–a society has once again fallen under the rule of psychopaths.
When the society of mostly normal & good people becomes tired of the endless wars, persecution, humiliation, & fearing who will be singled out & murdered next, they can begin to learn why this is happening & inoculate themselves. They can form networks to resist & expose it. They can seize control of society from the psychopaths once again, & restore their dignity.
[quote]December 11, 2009
Stop shooting messengers and face the truth
Sometimes knowledge is uncomfortable. But it is the mark of a civilised society that we do not sweep it under the carpet
In 413BC a traveller sat down in a barber’s shop in Piraeus, the Athenian port, and readied himself for a shave. He commiserated with the locals for the loss of their recent military expedition to Syracuse. The horror dawned; the traveller was first with the news. The barber flung down his tools and ran to the city, crying the news. His reward? The Athenians refused to believe that their navy had been destroyed, that their sons and brothers were dead or working as slaves in Sicilian mines. As Plutarch tells us, the barber was “fastened to the wheel and racked”.
This is how we so often treat those who tell us the truth we do not want to hear. History is littered with examples of messengers being shot, tortured and pilloried, literally and metaphorically.
To quote Sophocles’ Antigone: “No one loves the messenger who brings bad news.” To misquote Corporal Jones: “We don’t like it up us.”
We assume that we are different from our forefathers; more tolerant and more willing to allow uncomfortable truths to be aired. We have a liberal democracy and we congratulate ourselves on a commitment to freedom of speech. Yet when the truth sits uncomfortably with our notions of what is right, when it clashes with our dearly held notions of tolerance, we are as squeamish as any of our ancestors. Few are as intolerant as the self-consciously tolerant.[/quote]
The article above is about crime in the U.K. but it could just as easily been about trying to get the truth out about Gang Stalking and the fact that people in most time periods do not like people who tell them the truth, or who preach something that goes against their orthodoxy. What I am learning about this time period is that it is no better, in fact it’s worst, because unlike other times, we have so much wonderful and rich history to fall back on, and yet in many ways we are just as ignorant.
This is how we so often treat those who tell us the truth we do not want to hear. History is littered with examples of messengers being shot, tortured and pilloried, literally and metaphorically.
To quote Sophocles’ Antigone: “No one loves the messenger who brings bad news.” To misquote Corporal Jones: “We don’t like it up us.”
Sorry if the message is not what you want to hear, truth is a bitter pill to swallow at times. For me I loved my country, I thought I lived in the best place on earth (literally). It took me a really long time of grappling with the betrayal I felt to come to the semi-full realization of some truth. I don’t think I have the full truth, I am not sure I could handle the full truth just yet, but I have tried to educate myself on some of the recent history, the stuff that the text book does not tell you, some of the not so hidden conspiracy, and it’s one shock to the system after another.
Sometimes I get angry with people for being so stupid and gullible, for believing the best, but I was right there a few short years ago, and without my targeting, it would have taken me a very long time to believe anything bad about my country, or my fellow citizens. I always thought of us as the good guys, that we would never ever do what was done in East Germany or other places. I was so naive, so desperately wrong, luckily for me truth is easier to swallow when you have the burn marks, bruises, and psychological torture to show for it. Without this, I might still be trying to believe that my country was not doing anything bad. I might not have taken the time to research like I have, but I have now done this, and I have no intention of going back.
I don’t hate my fellow citizens, I feel sorry for them, many of them likely think that they are doing something good, trying to be good citizens like I was taught to be, but I am lucky, I have seen the dark side and I know enough history to know that what is being done is wrong. Most importantly as a target, I have seen, experienced and read about cruelty like none other, and I am quite comfortable with how I feel.
I know for some this is hard to comprehend, some really are just there to try to make the society better, but if killing the innocent is how you are going to make the society better, you are wrong. I know many don’t see it this way, the 15 to 30 minutes that they give seems like nothing and they might not see how their small roles could destroy lives, so with every story, revelation targets have tried to show you this. We have been trying to say, hey look we are innocent, in many cases good people, and something is wrong within the society cause it’s destroying our lives. Many of us naively thought that this would be enough, but we were proven wrong time and again, and worst many started to realize the long term goal of this targeting is our destruction, how could you expect us to be ok with it?
Did you think this was Stalinist Russia? Did you think that we would agree that we were bad because the state said so? The state who does some of the most hypocritical, terroristic things? Not going to happen. Most of us are good people, we do not deserve this, and we are saying that a system that would destroy us, is a broken and corrupted system. I get that some do not see it that way, but I am sorry for you, because we see it, live it and feel it on a daily basis and it does destroy lives.
In trying to expose this, we are just doing what past targets have done, would you honestly expect anything less? Don’t get upset if you have a harder time destroying our lives, it’s not our jobs to make it easier for you to do so, and how silly would you have to be to think so?
The goal of these sites is to support each other, document the stories of targets, and to highlight the sad truth, which is that our countries are becoming a nation of informants, but also to show what has happened to other societies where this was allowed to happen. The saddest part I find in researching is that when these times are happening, people always feel justified, they believe the lies, and they become so brain washed that they can not see past the lies, they have to believe the lies. They tell themseles I was just following orders. I did it cause an authority figure told me to. Anything else would mean confronting the evils of their actions, the drunken power that corrupts consistently in every time period. The comradely in these times of evil that oppressors invariably feel towards one another.
History can teach a great deal, but it’s words and facts, it is not hearts and minds, only by reaching hearts and minds can we hope to change things for the better and ensure a brighter future for ourselves and others. Believe it or not, we are not just fighting for ourselves, our main survival is key to be sure, but targets are also invariably fighting for others so that they do not have to go through and experience this horrible betrayal by the state.
I don’t know what else can be said, there are some really wrong and horrific things happening, to not draw attention to that would be neglectful at best, but it would also be a betrayal in another way. I have more incentive ofcourse, but it’s no less imperative for others to awaken to what is happening.
Also I tend to go on about us and them, us targets, those informants, but many many informants are or were targets who are broken, made to co-operate, forced, others who just gave in, and or others who were brought up this way and don’t understand the big deal. Many don’t do anything bad as far as they are aware. I don’t mean to keep separating everything, it’s really all one humanity, but as a target it’s so easy if you have a target to say, they, those are the ones doing this, at times it’s easy to forget that many of them suffered also, are suffering. I am sorry for that, but I do have my good days and bad days like everyone else.
Anyways I don’t know what else there is to say.
We assume that we are different from our forefathers; more tolerant and more willing to allow uncomfortable truths to be aired. We have a liberal democracy and we congratulate ourselves on a commitment to freedom of speech. Yet when the truth sits uncomfortably with our notions of what is right, when it clashes with our dearly held notions of tolerance, we are as squeamish as any of our ancestors. Few are as intolerant as the self-consciously tolerant.
Uncomfortable truths are not fun, I have come across so many, some posted, some just hard to take, but I have consistently adjusted my comfort level cause I would rather truth than lies. I know not everyone is the same, many are happy with lies, and half truths, or flat out denial, they can not handle the fact that there could be anything bad about the society. They would silence anyone who would say otherwise, but that’s just not acceptable, because it must be said, and some of us are at the convenient place of saying it. When I say convenient, I don’t mean easy, but it’s something that needs to be done. No one is trying to make anyone feel bad, or ashamed, but I don’t know how to make people feel good when the sad truth is that their actions might be helping to kill and harm innocent people. I can just point out the facts and hope that societies conscience will have enough left to do the rest. Oh and pray.
Ever since researching the Human Flesh Search Engine people are probably a little confused. What is the difference between something like that and Gang Stalking?
Well I thought that this would be a good time to briefly go over some of the harassment’s that are similar, and what the differences are. If I have forgotten anything forgive me in advance.
-Subtle and Covert. Mobbing has many aspects similar to Gang Stalking. The emotional and psychological abuse that the Targeted Individual suffers is very similar to what targets of workplace mobbing suffer. On this level the mobbing community are our closest relations, and this is why Gang Stalking has also been termed community mobbing by some.
Mobbing can be understood as the stressor to beat all stressors. It is an impassioned, collective campaign by co-workers to exclude, punish, and humiliate a targeted worker. Initiated most often by a person in a position of power or influence, mobbing is a desperate urge to crush and eliminate the target. The urge travels through the workplace like a virus, infecting one person after another. The target comes to be viewed as absolutely abhorrent, with no redeeming qualities, outside the circle of acceptance and respectability, deserving only of contempt. As the campaign proceeds, a steadily larger range of hostile ploys and communications comes to be seen as legitimate. …
Not infrequently, mobbing spelled the end of the target’s career, marriage, health, and livelihood. From a study of circumstances surrounding suicides in Sweden, Leymann estimated that about twelve percent of people who take their own lives have recently been mobbed at work.”
~ Kenneth Westhues, Professor of Sociology
Mobbing can be ongoing for years, it can cause health problems, and can even cause the targets to become violent, or have emotional breakdowns. Mobbing is hard to prove, and changing jobs might stop the mobbing, but it may not. Mobbing can cause you to be blacklisted from your field of employment.
-This is an overt form of harassment that involves 24/7 surveillance . The targets cell or cameraphones are used to track and monitor them 24/7.
Emotionally it’s stressing to the targets just like Gang Stalking, but with cellphone stalking and the overt nature of the harassment, targets often have evidence to present to the police. Also the targets could get rid of their phones to stop the harassment.
Human Flesh Search Engine
-This is often overt and swift. In Korea it’s called Cyber Violence, and in America it’s called Cyber Vigilantism.
Human flesh search engines: Chinese vigilantes that hunt victims on the web
A new phenomenon is sweeping China after the quake: digital witch hunts of those who dare to be outspoken or criticise
Ms Wang’s Chinese name, Chinese identification number and contact details in America were tracked down and posted across the internet. She received hate mail and threats that if ever she returned to China, she would be “chopped into 10,000 pieces”. Her parents’ address in China was published and they were forced to go into hiding.
Tibetans have also been targeted. After 44-year-old Lobsang Gendun was photographed protesting at the Olympic torch relay in London, Paris and San Francisco, the human flesh search engine whirred into action.
With huge overseas communities, it took just a couple of hours for Chinese web users to collate the pieces of Mr Gendun’s life – replete with Google satellite map and photos of his American home.
“I suggest assassination,” wrote one poster. “Execution by shooting,” said another. No, no, insisted yet another: “Use China’s most ancient form of execution – dismember him.”
In an unfortunate case of mistaken identity, it turned out there was another exiled Tibetan called Lobsang Gendun living in Utah. Since the targeting of his namesake began, Mr Gendun, a self-proclaimed “Olympic supporter”, has received hundreds of aggressive emails and telephone calls.
The speed to which the vigilantes can mount an attack is amazing, not just in China, but in Korea and America as well.
The digital age allows critics to quickly find a fair amount of information about their targets. One day last November, at about 11:30 a.m., a blog focused on making New York streets more bike-friendly posted the license plate number of an SUV driver who allegedly accelerated from a dead stop to hit a bicycle blocking his way.
At 1:16 p.m., someone posted the registration information for the license plate, including the SUV owner’s name and address. (The editor of the blog thinks the poster got the information from someone who had access to a license-plate look-up service, available to lawyers, private investigators and police.) At 1:31 p.m., another person added the owner’s occupation, his business’s name and his title. Ten minutes later, a user posted a link to an aerial photo of the owner’s house. Within another hour, the posting also included the accused’s picture and email address.
The SUV’s owner, Ian Goldman, the chief executive of Celerant Technology Corp. in the New York City borough of Staten Island, declined to comment for this article. According to an email exchange posted on the blog, Mr. Goldman said that he had lent the vehicle in question to a relative with “an urgent medical situation” and that he was not aware of any incident. The alleged victim has decided to drop the matter since the damage to the bicycle, which he was standing next to at the time, was under $20. Last month, Aaron Naparstek, editor of the blog, says he removed Mr. Goldman’s home and email addresses from the site after receiving a “lawyerly cease and desist” email asking that the whole posting be deleted.
This is in America and I see very little difference to some of the stories that happened in China.
Here is one more from Korea where they call it cyber violence, or online Mobbing.
SEOUL Kim Myong Jae’s estranged girlfriend was found dead in her room in Seoul on April 22 last year, six days after she poisoned herself.
Two weeks later, Kim, a 30-year-old accountant, found that he had been transformed into the No. 1 hate figure of South Korea’s Internet community, a victim of a growing problem in a country that boasts the world’s highest rate of broadband use.
First, death threats and vicious text messages flooded his cellphone. Meanwhile, spreading fast through blogs and Web portals were rumors that Kim had jilted his girlfriend after forcing her to abort his baby, that he had assaulted her and her mother, and that his abuse had finally driven her to suicide.
“By the time I found out the source of this outrage, it was too late. My name, address, photographs, telephone numbers were all over the Internet,” Kim said. “Tens of thousands of people were busy sharing my identity and discussing how to punish me. My name was the most-searched phrase at portals.” News reports and portals confirmed that his name was at the top of such lists.
The next time someone tells you that people would not waste the time in harassing others, or stalking others, just smile knowingly and point to these articles.
-This is often covert and done over a period of time, and the goal is to drive the person crazy, or to freak them out, or give them a breakdown.
Gaslighting is a form of intimidation or psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their own memory and perception. The classic example of gaslighting is to change things in a person’s environment without their knowledge, and to explain that they “must be imagining things” when they challenge these changes. Popular usage of the term can be traced to at least the late 1970s.
The term derives from the 1938 stage play Gas Light, in which a wife’s concerns about the dimming of her house’s gas lights are dismissed by her husband as the work of her imagination, when he has actually caused the lights to dim. His action is part of a wider pattern of deception in which the husband manipulates small elements of his wife’s environment, and insists that she is mistaken or misremembering, hoping to drive her to insanity.
Use in real life
An example of gaslighting being used in real life was by the Manson Family during their “creepy crawler” burglaries during which nothing was stolen, but furniture in the house was rearranged.
Apparently this is an ongoing storyline. However if you want to see a really good storyline look up Drucilla being Gaslighted, also from the same soap opera, but from a few years ago. That was so well done, that the character ended up in a mental ward. It was a wonderful example of Gaslighting. I have not seen the Ashley storyline yet.
-Covert and ongoing. On an emotional and psychological level this is very similar to mobbing.
Bridging The Gap is a disturbing, yet poignant look into modern day democratic surveillance societies. The book examines how this structure is used to discredit, disenfranchise, and destroy innocent citizens. Gang Stalking, The Buzzsaw, Cointelpro, what do these words mean and more importantly what do they have in common? They are names that have been used to describe the systemic apparatus that reaches out to destroy and discredit those declared enemy by the state. This book will open your eyes to how the informant system has taken over these democratic countries, and how they are being used to further create a surveillance society where no one will be out of reach, should they too become persona non grata by the system.
I would say it’s a tie between stasi Germany and what happened under Cointelpro, however Stasi Germany probably most mirrors what is happening now.
You mean to tell me that it is legal for corporations from the private sector to team up with local law enforcement officials in efforts to spy on innocent members of our society? You also mean to tell me that the synthesis of law enforcement authority and the drive of for-profit companies operate under little to no guidelines or restrictions and it is unclear to whom they are responsible to?
COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States. The FBI used covert operations from its inception, however formal COINTELPRO operations took place between 1956 and 1971. The FBI’s stated motivation at the time was “protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order
The Ministry for State Security, (German: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, commonly known as the Stasi [ˈʃtazi] (abbreviation German: Staatssicherheit, literally State Security), was the official secret police of East Germany. The MfS was headquartered in East Berlin, with an extensive complex in Berlin-Lichtenberg and several smaller facilities throughout the city. It was widely regarded as one of the most effective and repressive intelligence and secret police agencies in the world. The MfS motto was “Schild und Schwert der Partei” (Shield and Sword of the Party), showing its connections to the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED), the equivalent to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
As a part of the Gang Stalking psychological harassment, gaslighting may also be used.
The bigger picture is that the structure functions like a cult does.
In how it keeps the members in line, how they obey and how they punish and try to destroy those outside the cult and those who would leave the cult.
This is just a very quick and brief introduction to this subject matter. To learn more, I suggest doing your own research and reading up on the subject matter.
what I have learnt from the extremist sites.
Try your best not to generalize. What get’s me most when I am on the extremist sites is that there is a lot of generalization. These sites tend to generalize groups of people and that is just not the thing to do.
I can however see that if you have too many negative experiences with too many people of a specific group that you might tend to have a general negative attitude towards that group.
I find that I tend to do this with the informants. I really try to avoid this when I can. Though a majority of them are parasitic bottom feeders, there are some, the odd few that are not stupid, that are helpful, that have retained their humanity, that are not going along with this stupidty, and who are equally looking for a way out. I am not including those people in this posting. Everyone is different.
Many of them are just what they seem to be. Just like in East Germany where they baited the Jews, or the south where they baited the blacks, many of them are the same things. They are not happy or fulfilled unless they are getting targets to notice them, or doing something to be in conflict with targets.
I still believe the primary thing to do in most cases is to ignore them. Lately I am honestly more interested in the flowers, the trees, the dirt under my feet, etc, more so than I am interested in them. I am happier, I think I finally came to the realization, that it’s just not worth it.
For me personally, there is little or no merit with interacting with the majority of people that have chosen to be a part of a system that is corrupt. The vast majority of these people are at the heart of what is driving this system. If it was not working for them, they would change it. However I believe that this system does work for the vast majority of them.
I believe many people unfortunately are base at heart, and this attracts the worst sort of people, and the worst sort of vermin. It’s a sad truth. Most people probable feel they are part of something wonderful, if you will recall, the Stasi were the same, and the Nazi were the same.
What is the difference between these people and the Nazi? The world eventually recognized the Nazi’s for what they were, I believe it will be a bit longer before these people are recognised as the same thing. Right now I believe the vast majority, are still in the we are right stage.
For me personally limiting my interaction with the vast majority works. In my years of mobbing, Gang Stalking, Cointelpro, I have not found that it’s often in my best interest to interact with them. I generally avoid the vast majority of them when I can. They generally do not seem to understand this. I don’t want anything to do with the vast majority of them, they are not my type of people, we have nothing in common, and it’s not in my best interest to interact with them. It’s nothing personal.
There are many informants that I like, that I still like interacting with. They are just very few and far between. No I don’t believe that they are all stupid, but much like the rest of the society, the system that they subscribe to is corrupt, and thus they are corrupt by being a part of it. Willingly or unwillingly.
I am going to try to give some examples of this.
I once worked with a girl let’s call her J. J was being harassed very badly by Steven a manager at one of the jobs where we worked. She use to come to me and complain about what he was doing. In my opinion he was very badly harassing and bullying her. She was a shy reserved creature and unfortunately drew Steven’s harassment.
Even though I was being mobbed, I helped to shield her the best way that I could. I even gave her the information that she needed to get away from him. At the time he was her manager. She did not want to go to HR, because everyone knew that going to HR only made things worst. (I still tried to work through the HR process, but I agree that the majority of times when a manager is involved, HR does not help and is not helpful.)
She was stressed everyday and worried constantly, she just wanted to get off of his team. I found a way that she could do so without having to go to HR, it worked and eventually she got off his team.
During this time, we had become quite friendly, because I felt protective of her. Anyways one day she stopped talking to me, and became very unfriendly, not just unfriendly, but rude, and she also got several of her people, from her culture to be rude as well. I could not understand what was wrong with this girl. I eventually found out that I had wished her good health in German, and English not being her first language, she had misunderstood what I had said, and thought that I had insulted her.
A simple error, which could have been fixed, by asking me what I had said, or to explain it. No. So in essence, what she had done was advised people that I had reacted in a negative manner to her “stimuli” and insulted her. I would never have guessed at this, because it was just not the case.
Do I believe that she misunderstood what was said, yes. Do I believe she did so intentionally? NO in this case I do not. However it does not change the fact that because of the stupidity of this informant system, and the stupidity of human nature she saw what was not there. The problem is that if you tell people that someone is XYz they will not only see XYZ in many cases, but they will also add ABC.
Another example of this system at work. When I was at school we had what I now recognize to be informants. They were always signalling, I do recall this, but I had no idea why at the time. Anyways this person and her friends came and told a group of us, that this male in our class had been self pleasuring himself in class. Her two male friends confirmed this information, by agreeing with her. Thus the group without questioning them, accepted there story. She said he was a pervert and a variety of other things.
Naturally people were disgusted and did not wish to be around this person. We believed them. He was avoided after this by the class, because of what this girl had said. He missed a lot of school and eventually did not come back the next term.
In the middle of this, I could not keep up ignoring him. No matter what his so called crime, he had not killed anyone, but none the less he was treated as a leaper, and though I did not see it at the time. I believe this is what was ongoing in his life. I also believe that what the class was told was a lie, by this group of informants. He was an ethnic minority, and I do believe the goal was to get him to drop out of the class.
Because of what this girl told the others, many of the other girls in the class avoided him, the guys would not befriend him, but I eventually gave him notes, and stopped avoiding him. This interestingly enough made me enemies with the person who had started the rumours. I had been a thorn in the side of what was probably a Gang Stalking attempt in his life, but for me it was just being nice to another human being, that in my opinion there was no reason to be cruel to, and certainly not for such an extended period of time, or to the lengths that they were going to.
Did I realise that I was doing anything wrong, or being manipulated? No I did not, but I understood how to be human, and something within told me that what was ongoing was wrong. Some of the informants in this system will have that capacity, the vast majority will not. Even if they have the impulse that something is wrong, many do not have the independence to stop what is happening, or confront it.
For me a lot of things are trial and error. After years of dealing with them, for me personally, I don’t want anything to do with the vast majority of them. The interactions do not enhance my life most times, I have watched the vast majority, and they like this system, it works for them. They like the snitching friends network, and many of them would be lost without it. It’s their source of information, let’s them know what’s happening, and they feed off of it.
They feed off of having confrontations with targets the same way the Nazi’s feed off of having confrontations with Jews, and congratulated themselves about it. It’s the same things, they are the same level of baseness. The KKK did the same thing with blacks. Piss them off, get them to react, it’s the same thing.
Where the last two groups were seen in a negative light, the members of this cult of informants, see themselves, and their actions in a very positive light. A vast majority of them, act in the same mindless fashion, one right after the other.
For me after years of being around them. My recommendation is to ignore them. The vast majority of times, they are not worth it. They want someone they can play games with that will respond to them. The “look at me, look at me, I am something special.” The vast majority of times, I literally do not pay attention to them, anymore. If like the Nazi’s or the KKK, they interact with me in such a way that they cross the line, I let them know it. Because if you let them cross the line a little, they will cross the line a lot. They must be kept in their place. This is what they try to do with us, and we must do the same with them.
Again, I do not mean to generalise. I hate that, and I try to avoid it when I can. They are not all like that, but too many are. The contempt has been earned.
This system is not sophisticated, many of them do not understand why targets don’t want anything to do with them. Targets see the world in a very different way. I am often grateful for this experience, because it really is something I could only have learnt by experiencing. My whole life, I wondered how Nazi Germany happened, how did normal people go along with it? There was no reference source that had the material that I needed. Only the human experience could have given me what I needed.
As such I have been blessed, to understand how base human nature can get, how deprived, how people that start out decent can become corrupt. How a system of corruption can be made to function. I do believe such systems will eventually do themselves in, but in the meantime, it’s an amazing study. I would choose no other side to be on.
I might dislike stupid people around me at times, but it’s a great learning experience, how they function, operate, the types involved. You could not pay for such, I know most targets will not agree with me, but when we can let go of the targeting aspect, and just look at the social psychological aspect, they are an interesting study.
Anyways I had one actually try to cross the line today, and it had to be confront and politely advised, to not cross the line. Much like the Nazi, they seemed delighted, oh my gosh, nothing else has been working, no other stimuli, we finally have something. Yes sadly I am their world, but they are not my world. Even a very broken and corrupt clock can get the time right at least twice a day. The same with this broken and corrupt system.
I hate the targeting, but when I think about what these people have become, I will take this side of the coin. I don’t like it, it’s not always my favorite, but I thank God everyday, that I am on this side of the coin. I believe we spiritually choose things, and I do believe on some level, I choose this side of the coin, and this path, because I would not want to be on the other side of the coin.
I have no desire most times or care, what the snitching network is up to, I care not for their stupid system, which is corrupted, and being a parasite who’s only job is to spy on others, or bait them, like the Nazi’s did the Jews, is just not my cup of tea.
Targets this is not a great place that we are in, I know that most of us hate it on a daily basis, but when I really look at who and what these people are, and the things they do, my life is not that bad. That’s one of the reasons I have been happier lately. We are blessed that we ended up on this side of the coin. No I don’t like the job loss, baiting, stupidity, evil, corruption, petty, amebic parasites that we attract, but can you imagine being one? Most of us can not. So though it take a lot of efforts, realise that our glass is still half full, we have retained our humanity, and as long as we do that, we are doing better than the vast majority of them.
As for me, I have been happy, I am going to continue to be so. Avoiding them and ignoring them has worked for me. I finally came to the stage where I do realise the vast majority are just not worth it. Again, I am not generalizing. There is good and bad everywhere. There always will be. Everyday we remember that, and maintain our humanity is a victory. These creature are petty, and irritating a target is all that they have going on in their lives most days, think of the efforts that are expanded for targets? We have life, and they do not, in many cases, they are dead, and empty on the inside, and they often do not like to have that truth mirrored back about themselves, but it’s true in many cases.
I could go on, but targets, be thankful that we are where we are, everyday that I am around them, or encounter more of their stupidity, it leaves me grateful. You don’t want to become what they are. Being a target is not great, but I honestly believe that what the vast majority of them are is something worst.
Keep that in mind, as you go out amongst them, and the best recommendation I can give, is truly to ignore them, they really do just crave the attention, and it’s what they feed off of, they are parasitic in nature. The vast majority, not all. I don’t think I have had to confront one too directly prior to today, and if you must interact with them, be polite, use appropriate language, and leave it short and sweet. Parasites in many cases probably have far more potential, and intelligence than the vast majority of informants in this system. They want you in the dirt with them, try your best not to be there.
There is good and bad everywhere, try to not generalize. So are informants stupid? Sure some are stupid, they always were and always will be. Some are bright and intelligent, but this system does not cater to the bright or the intelligent, most times it caters to the petty, and corrupt. They are always looking for a reason to hate, it’s what fuels them, nothing else does. It’s a system that has not changed since Jesus’ time. It’s a system that will hate one minute and praise the next, it’s a bi-polar system, and the people within that system are equally the same.
I find in a majority of cases, they hate without reason, they act without reason, and they feed off of each other. They do what the other tells them to do, independent thought is not something that this system fosters. Yet good still functions below the mire. Lately I focus on the good. Unfortunately if you look for stupid you will find stupid, even when you don’t look for stupid, you will still find it. I have stopped looking for stupid, petty and corrupt. This however does not mean that stupid, petty and corrupt will not find it’s way into my realm, but limit your changes.
Are they all stupid, no, but enough are where I have doubts if this society will survive. Much like the movie apocalypto, such societies, eat themselves from the inside out, and when the time comes, they destruct from the inside out, I believe these societies are entering such a stage, and it’s sad, because from the outside, they look very good, but as one who has witnessed the corruption, I believe these societies are in a problematic state, and will likely create their own downfall, due to the types of people these types of societies eventually create, which is sad.
”Dr. Andrew M. Lobaczewski. Political Ponerology: The science on the Nature of Evil.”
Pathocracy is a disease of great social movements followed by entire societies, nations, and empires. In the course of human history, it has affected social, political, and religious movements as well as the accompanying ideologies… and turned them into caricatures of themselves…. This occurred as a result of the … participation of pathological agents in a pathodynamically similar process. That explains why all the pathocracies of the world are, and have been, so similar in their essential properties.
…Identifying these phenomena through history and properly qualifying them according to their true nature and contents – not according to the ideology in question, which succumbed to the process of caricaturization – is a job for historians. […]
The actions of [pathocracy] affect an entire society, starting with the leaders and infiltrating every town, business, and institution. The pathological social structure gradually covers the entire country creating a “new class” within that nation. This privileged class [of pathocrats] feels permanently threatened by the “others”, i.e. by the majority of normal people. Neither do the pathocrats entertain any illusions about their personal fate should there be a return to the system of normal man. [Andrew M. Lobaczewski Political Ponerology: A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes]
The case against me and what I understand of it.
The gangstalking file.
[quote]The largest part of the award is the £640,000 awarded for future loss of earnings and a pension, and it is this portion which marks the case out as unusual.
“We have seen cases like this before a number of times but the court has awarded such a large amount because it took the view that this person would not be able to work at this salary level for a long time in the future,” said Tom Potbury, a lawyer specialising in employment law at Pinsent Masons.
Green, 36, had said she was subjected to “offensive, abusive, intimidating, denigrating, bullying, humiliating, patronizing, infantile and insulting words and behavior” and subjected to crude and lewd comments from her former colleagues. Her colleagues would move her papers, hide her post and remove her from document circulation lists. She alleged that some of the colleagues had ignored and excluded her, that her personal and professional authority was undermined, and her workload increased to unreasonable and arbitrary levels.
Her lawyer said medical experts on both sides of the case agreed that Green developed a major depressive disorder, but there was disagreement about its cause.
Deutsche Bank said it had not breached its duties to Green and denied that she was bullied, saying she had had a predisposition to mental illness. Deutsche Bank paid for stress counselling and assertiveness training for Green but she had a nervous breakdown before returning to work and suffering a relapse.[/quote]
I have read the above case scenario several times. It’s funny because the workplace mobbing that I encountered was very similar in some regards to some of the things that went on in this case. Instead of being on the winning end of a lawsuit, I am on this end of an investigation, which is being used to falsely used to portray me as mentally ill.
It’s funny, someone is dehumanized and degraded for several years and they no longer wish to put up with it, or emotionally can not, and the employer in this case a bank wants to place all the blame on them.
Part of what I have been trying to do is better understand the mechanisms used to place me under this investigation. One that has continued for years.
What’s happening to me goes back a really long time. As mentioned before, I first became aware of the actual Gang Stalking, about three years ago, but my workplace mobbing had gone on for several years before this.
At work I was in a similar situation where workplace mobbing was daily, it was continuous and it made it impossible for me to perform my job functions. I eventually filed a complaint with the human rights commission after trying to work things out with Human Resources.
Shortly after filing the complaint C. Coughlin from HR called me into the office, in the presence of my senior manager at the time and advised me that if I did not drop the complaint, I would be required to see a Dr Brown. If I however dropped the complaint, things would back to normal. This play was disgraceful, and dirty but not uncommon.
Apparently if you decide to stand up for your rights or blow the whistle you need to speak to someone, if you instead choose option b and drop the case against them, you are of sound mind and body. Fascinating how these companies work. They use these investigations to discredit and disenfranchise their enemies. They destroy people’s lives to protect their own interests. That’s the true purpose of human resources in these companies.
The harassment I was exposed to included slander, lies, derogatory comments, rumors, and a stimuli which was anchored to said rumour. The stimuli was what was used for the bulk of the harassment. Because I complained primarily about the stimuli, they used this to try to portray me as mentally ill.
Leopold Wrobel harassed the pensioners for more than four years, making them feel like prisoners in their home.
His victims, Michael and Kathleen Sharpe, said Wrobel had ‘nearly succeeded’ in destroying their lives.
Wrobel, 51, had been handed an anti-social behaviour order last December for harassing the couple.
But a court heard his nuisance behaviour, which had already lasted for four years, continued on the day the order was imposed.
The court was shown CCTV footage from cameras on the Sharpes’ property, which picked up Wrobel’s repeated whistling when they arrived at or left the house.
Michael Treharne, prosecuting, said each incident taken in isolation would probably seem silly or almost pathetic.
Leopold Wrobel taunted the elderly couple with the Addams Family theme tune
Leopold Wrobel: He taunted the couple
But he added: ‘If something happens on an ongoing basis and goes on and on and on, eventually it reaches the stage of being absolutely intolerable.’
Mr Sharpe, from Wingerworth in Derbyshire, told the court Wrobel’s behaviour had made his wife ill and she had started losing her hair.
‘It’s been devastating and it’s done what he wanted to do, to try to destroy our lives,’ the 68-year-old said. ‘He very nearly succeeded.’
His wife told magistrates they could not leave the house without Wrobel being there. [/quote]
This couple was harassed using a stimuli, in this case the Addams family theme. It was one man, against this couple, but he managed to almost ruin their lives. In my case, I was one person, and about 80% of the peope I worked with, including most of the managers were taking part in what was ongoing. I worked with about 130 people at the time.
The very things that I complained about, at the time and filed the human rights complaint about are some of the very things individuals are now winning court cases over currently, yet in my case, it’s being used to portray me as crazy, and keep a fake investigation ongoing.
Part of what I complained about is that a manager, let’s call him “hateman the hitman saw”, who was currently working in the same company that I was, had years earlier at a different company started a derogatory rumour about me. I stated in the complaint that I felt that this rumour had continued onto my current job.
Since I was once again working with this person, I had reasonable grounds to believe that this person was helping to fuel the flames of this degrogatory rumour, once again. I had grounds to believe it, because I heard back that this was the case. The bulk of my complaint focused on the fact that the derogatory rumours/comments had been anchored to a stimuli, and said stimuli was being used on a daily basis to make it impossible for me to perform my job functions. Eg. If the stimuli had been keys jangling, you would have the people directly around me, jangling keys for the whole shift, on several occasions, I had customers asking me about the noise in the background.
Sounds pretty simple right, not so simple, since the workplace decided to go along with what was happening.
After researching this, what I now know is that the stimuli and my reaction to it were deliberately created. I had worked with someone at the first job who was in the military. He had tried to sensitise me to three stimuli. I didn’t know it at the time, that it was deliberate, but I do now. The other stimuli was pens clicking, and the actual stimuli which I became sensitive to.
What I also now know is that James, and “Hateman The Hitman Saw”, were both part of the snitching friends network. What James did with the anchoring of the stimuli was deliberate. What I don’t know is if he did this on his own accord, or if in fact this was more deliberate than that. James outside of work did have military connections, so I don’t have the answer to this yet.
The other thing that was happening at that time is the same tactic was being used outside of the workplace to harass me in public. I was aware of this, but I was not aware of the snitching friends network.
So what you have is a target that has been deliberately sensitised. A corrupt company that wants to keep the target quite and stop them from going forward with a human rights complaint. I am not saying that this company is the only place an investigation could have originated from, because I have reason to believe that this might have started years before this, but I do believe that they used my complaint to the human rights commission to try to portray me as mentally ill, when really I was being harassed, and any actions I took to protect myself from being harassed day in and day out were fully justified. I will also state that the harassment was happening outside of the workplace, and the same applies.
So the target is aware that they are being harassed and a stimuli is being used. What they do in the course of these investigations is they try to incite and instigate incidents to further the perception of mental illness, or whatever the target is being billed as. If the target is being billed as a racist, they try to encourage negative interactions with persons of different races. If they are being billed as homophobic, they try to encourage negative interactions with people who are homosexual, if the target is being billed as a terrorist, they try to portray the target as such and make their actions look suspicious.
Since I have been targeted, they have tried the mentally ill angle several times and several different ways. I am aware that one incident that happened recently involved my handing out activism material to a group in a small cafe, about 7 people. I decided to try some viral activism, so I very impromptu handed out some papers directing the informants to visit one of the Gang Stalking websites. I mean I get people coming up to me all the time handing me flyer’s for clubs, and other events, or their activism materials so I don’t see the difference. However my understanding is that they are using me handing out what I consider essentially activism material to further the myth of mental illness. Right because naming informants as such and directing them to Gang Stalking websites is insane? Right. I really have to wonder about the shrills that they are using to make these types of assessments and then further disenfranchise targets?
They could in essence use a simple incident such as this and use it to get employers current to flag you. Yet is not activism what I do on a daily basis? Why should my handing out activism material be seen or evaluated any differently than anyone else?
When they can’t prove that you are crazy, the scope of the investigation might shift. It’s what I call a fishing expedition. Remember these investigations are often the life blood for many. The informants get a bit of money, lot’s of men get construction jobs, and they use these investigations to push targets to the edge, hoping that when they do snap, they will have further proof that the informant network is doing a good job. So every time they can put a target in a mental hospital, get them behind bars, to kill themselves or others, or just attack someone, this gives them cause, and in some cases additional funding, so it’s in their best interest to make you look crazy.
Recently what some informants did is that they started a group with a list of people. Many on that list did not ask to be on that list, but they started sending out emails. In those emails they used some racist or other language that might be cause for an investigation. So for example you find yourself a part of this list, which is in effect a group. You don’t say anything wrong, but others in the group do, surprise, you might find yourself being investigated, because you now belong to a group spewing hate speech. The hate speech will ofcourse have been provided by the informants themselves, but what does that matter?
I had another incident where I was in the park. I had put up with 20 minutes of some idiot informant doing stupid dogs tricks while trying to keep an eye on me. Normally if you were not aware of what was happening it would not be that irritating, but it was. I was grateful when the dog boy left, and was just getting comfortable, when yet another informant showed up, this one even worst than the first, because he just stood there and stared. Well I had it, and I just gave him a glaring look before reaching into my case to get something. I had just gotten some groceries and was pretty tired, and just wanted to sit there without being disturbed.
The next thing I know, the little man pansy is running across the park like a bat out of hell, and I am thinking what the heck? I have been known to give some pretty squelching looks, but I didn’t think I was that good. Next thing I know before I leave the park, there is a helicopter that literally accompanied me home on my walk from the park, and for the next two months I would become acquainted with what I call airstalking.
When I got home, the serve your drug sentence as an informant neighbour above me, decided to make contact with the neighbour below. Suddenly all friendly, can I come and hang out? This neighbour had never spoken to me before. All this other stuff and I am thinking what the heck? Apparently I came to find out that, man pansy, who ran out of the park like a bat out of hell, seems to have given them the impression that I had wires in my case, (which I did for an electronic device, I think a battery charger), and therefore maybe a bomb or incendiary device? So upstairs neighbour was just making sure I didn’t blow myself and him up, and the suddenly friendly Susan above me, as I call him, was just trying to get into my apartment to look around. Well that makes sense.
Now what really get’s me here is all it takes is the word of a snitch. They don’t have to be logical, or truthful, they can make up anything. Now to be fair to man pansy, I don’t know if he did it to be spiteful because I gave him a squelching look, or if he really believed I was dangerous, and I really don’t care. These people are told the target is crazy, or what have you, and normal behaviour that would normally never be questioned suddenly becomes oh did you see that, the target blinked, what do I do, what does that mean? They are irrational and dangerous.
The other problem is positive identification. There have been so many times where I know that I was flagged as someone at a location doing xyz, and I was not. If I could see my file, I am sure I would find several incidents that were attributed to me to make me look crazy, and were not in fact me, but the way these investigations work is that you are guilty, and you never get a chance to prove your innocence.
I have seen so many times where they give the signal that I am away from home, which means that they are following someone else somewhere, and this means that if there is an incident, it will be ascribed to me, and it will not be me. I have been on the train and other locations where they have the wrong target, but they are provoking someone else and I have seen the other person react. Yet this will be ascribed to me.
Corrections will never be made, because the target is not allowed any input whatsoever and most of this is based on the word of informants, staged incidents which are designed to make the target look like anything you want them to look like, pedophile, drug dealer, racist, homophone, crazy, you name it, they can stage it.
The other question I have is about the types of psychiatrists or professionals that are being used. Based on what I saw in regards to the articles that they wrote about Gang Stalking online, you have people trying to write a whole entire community off as mentally ill, when in fact these investigations are on going. Then when that does not work, you write them off as extremists or conspiracy theorists. Yet everything that has been stated just about, has been proven, by external sources. If the same types of people are being used to remotely diagnose targets as crazy, we should be very worried.
As it is, they have been investigating me for years. I was never crazy. I was being harassed. Because I choose to stand up for myself and take the company to the commission, HR used it as an opportunity to open an investigation when I failed to comply with the threat of dropping the suit. Since that time, I have been openly harassed, had my communications interfered with, had several staged incidents, some involving me, many not involving me, but all used to further portray me as mentally ill. I have never been allowed to see my file, or directly address any of the said incidents that would be used to portray me as mentally ill.
Normal activity such as handing out activism material has been used to portray me as mentally ill, keep in mind, I have never had anyone tell me that they did not want something being handed to them. So if this is the case, how can an incident be used against me? Further how can said incident be used to further try to disenfranchise me from employment?
What I do know is we have a very corrupt system. Many informants see about 15-30 minutes of skits and harassment that is running in a targets life 24/7. They perform their surveillance. The ones below me, play human target with my body, often using lasers, radar gun, pulse weaponry, what have you to burn my skin from the apartment below. They still try to do the sleep deprivation thing when they can, much of this by a human rights stand point would be considered torture, and against the law.
These people feel that it’s ok to perform such actions on targets that they have been told are mentally ill, or rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, users, prostitutes etc, because these groups are seen as less than human, they don’t feel that their actions are immoral, or unethical. They think that what they are doing is just fine.
Lastly again these investigations are the life blood of these programs. I had one person tell me that he was offered a construction job. Person had been sent to befriend me. The construction job was to be the benefit. They hire a lot of these people and they put a lot of money into the area around the target where the surveillance is happening and unfortunately these perks makes a targets community more likely to go along with, and take part in the harassment. Remember for the community doing the harassment/surveillance, they are often having the time of their lives, in some cases. They are working together, some feel like they are James Bond, it’s fun for some of them, so fun, that they forget that their is a human being on the other side of the door, as was apparent with the maintenance guy who was so caught up in his role of being informant, that he forgot that the target has rights and the target is not ascribing to their mental pathology.
I have said it before and I will say it again, these people in many cases are not smart, many don’t realise that they are being used to set people up and destroy lives. Lives like Jiverly Wong, Kimveer Gill and many others. When the target kills themselves or shoots others, they see it as proof that the target really was mentally ill, and not proof that their harassment drove the target to the end result. They then feel that they did a good job, that they are valuable and relevant and they continue on as before, feeling more justified than ever.
I also suspect that they have the odd staged incident that also further serves to justify the informant network, and the incidents further serve to make them think that what they are doing is valuable and relevant. When I researched the Stasi, many had been a part of the Stasi by choice and not by force and even after the Stasi fell, they did not see a problem with what they had done. In Hitler’s Germany it was the same as well, with many enjoying a sense of corporation, neighbourliness, not seeing anything wrong or malignant in their actions, they were just following orders, or the laws of the land. It’s the same for our informants.
Thus targets are guilty, we will never be proven innocent because we never get to see our files. The evidence gathered is staged in many cases, normal incidents that would not be questioned if it was done by someone else not under investigation, are being used to further justify their cases against us. When they fail to find proof for one aspect of the investigation, they set up other incidents, go on fishing expeditions and claim the scoop of the investigation has changed. This is used to continue these investigations indefinitely. Remember I recently spent time studying the extremist community, the informants are now trying to set up incidents to portray me as someone that I am not. Think about how this works if you are being investigated as a pedophile. You are likely to get emails containing kiddy porn from you friendly neighbourhood informants, and then the other informant monitoring your internet connection is likely to just focus on the content of that email. Or like the other example that I gave, these groups that you join, or that people add your email to, you have to watch what is being said, because they could use that to change the scope or add to the scope of the investigation.
If you spend anytime reading about how the police are abusing the informant system, then you might begin to have some idea of what we are up against, and then might be able to better protect yourself and others from these deliberate investigations, which have no end, and are continually staged to paint the targets in the worst light, real or imagined.
Is this democracy? No I don’t believe it is, but this system has been like this for some time, and as it spreads more are likely to be affected by it, so it’s very important that people become aware of how the system is operating and functioning so they can try to avoid some of the pit stops associated with it.
To truly feel and understand hatred.
The LORD Is My Shepherd
A Psalm of David.
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths
of righteousness for his name’s sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,I will fear no evil: for thou art with me thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
See people think that hatred is someone saying racists, bigoted, sexist, etc words, and or maybe following through with actions and for the most part it is. However that overt hatred, it’s easy to spot and most times you can fight it and challenge it if it comes knocking at your door, but what about the covert kind, the kind that is not that subtle, the kind that is not that easy to spot, how do you recognize that kind, and how do you stop that kind, and how do you deal with it, when it might not even identify itself as such, when in fact it might identify itself as the good guy?
Well I had some fun with that recently. I got to be amongst the informant force, the joke that my life has become, wash rinse repeat, they never change. Now before I go off on a very generalized rant, I want to say that not everyone is stupid, not everyone is hateful, and there are some, that are not going along with the sheeple feed, that are not going along with hatred, for no real reason. For people like this I am grateful and your thoughts, desires give me hope, keep sending out those intentions, because the world needs them.
My insides are on burnt a bit right this minute, I am not sure what they were using this time around, but when I work up, you could feel the pulsing waves, coming from below, but also a lot of heat, what was weird is that there was a book near me and when I woke up, and felt the book, it felt hot. Usually the stuff they use, only heats up my physical being, but whatever they used now is different, designed to cause a different kind of harm. There level for inhumanity never ceases to amaze me. It’s expected, and I am not as troubled by it, they just have limited humanity to speak of. Stupid creatures that can be commanded at will, to do the bidding of others, no matter how evil or degenerate those actions, are, and when asked why it will be the same old excuse, I was just following orders.
Anyways, for people who are not ignorantly willing to hate and believe stupid lies, my thanks. For those who will embrace being corrected when they see the truth, my thanks also. For those who will venomously hate, and seek to destroy that which you know not or understand, those who would violently attack others with your thoughts, intentions and actions, I have no place in my world for you, and my desires for you are not well, my hopes for you are not well. You make the world unsafe for me and those like me. You bring no good energy, and Karmically I pray for balance to find you.
It’s funny being online I can go to many different corners of the net, and I can enter many different mind sets, ideals, beliefs, attitudes, worlds. I can find out what is behind them like never before. This access was not readily available 20 years ago, but the Internet has changed all this. I can examine the ideals of anyone from goths, extremists, feminists, hippies, the drug culture, AIDS activists, etc, etc, etc. I have a world open to me, where I can learn about the struggles of others, I can understand Opposing viewpoints. Instead of wallowing in ignorance about why people think and feel the way they do, I can go out and find out the reasons, ask the questions and find the answers. I like learning, I like understanding, it bridges the gap, and has the potential to help and heal. I would not ever have had this access, to research to understand, to help, to change for the better. For some odd reason people choose not to understand this, some would assign nefarious intentions towards my endeavours, primarily because their hearts are evil, and their minds are shallow and limited. The way they think, function, understand is so limited, that those are the only conclusions they can come to, because it matches their limited views of what they know about the world, which is not much.
I have dealt with the informant force for more years of my life than I care to recollect. When I say the informant force, I specifically refer to those who participated in my years of harassment, and hatred via workplace mobbing, street harassment, rumours, slanders, lies, ill intentions, etc. If you are not in these categories then you have no need to take offense. They are hateful, they are hate filled. They like to destroy, these are the sorts that drive people to commit suicide, they destroy families, and innocents, they have probably taken more lives over the years via their brand of hatred, then many in our society who we openly identify, call, or classify as hateful. I condemn those actions and find it to be unacceptable, but for many others this kind of hate is acceptable, the blood never touches their hand, and if it does it’s spread so thin, they hardly notice.
I was once again presently surprised to find their hatred and venom, pointed in my direction, oh there is a surprise, what else is new, what else are they good for? This time much like the others times they were wrong, but it makes no difference, as usually, when has truth ever mattered to these people? When has being wrong ever stopped these useful idiots from carrying out harm against others?
Their capacity to hate astounds me. Most of these people that I see on the street, they don’t know me, even the ones I worked with, they don’t me, except for what I reveal about myself, or some third party tells them, but how many times has that been taken and used as the truth? These people like to hate, it’s point, click, and hate to these people, just tell them where, and who, no other form of critical thinking is needed. It doesn’t matter if it’s true, logical, correct, or accurate. My entire life, these are the hateful things that I was taught to fight against, but I am finding the hate where I least expected it, from the very people who should know better but don’t. There vibrational levels are so low, when I am around them. Now that mine are coming back online, I can understand a lot better the true challenges inherent, with trying to wake people up, and get them to see the truth. Via the snitching friends network, these people are in touch with each other, they know or I should say, they think they know all about you, I had someone threaten me via a skit, oh not just me, but my family. You psychotic fu**ing idiots. Now tell me who the hateful ones are?
I will thankfully never understand these people if I live to be a thousand, and considering I now fully believe that we come here, and then we continue on after we leave here, and then are reborn once more, that says a lot. t. They are the same now as they have always been, and they do not change. All that changes are the physical forms they take. But the mentality, the capacity to hate, does not change or diminish. I am hoping the world can wake up and see that we are about to repeat history in an unprecedented manner, but I am less hopeful. Along with the changes that are happening in our society, the other dangers that I am trying to wake people up to is themselves, and their inherent capacity for evil, and their inability to see it when it’s about to rear it’s ugly head again in fake righteous indignation, and destroy and seek the blood of those it deems worthy. In plain English these people like to hate, they like to believe that they are on the side of good, they will believe and swallow anything that they are told. They don’t learn, they don’t change, and so history will likely repeat. That is a frightening prospect, but if they can not be awakened, then this path will not change. How can you awaken minds that are choosing to be hateful, to not understand, to hate where they are pointed, without reason, without justification, without consciousness? I don’t even know the answer to that question, but history tells me that you can’t, and from what I have seen those who would attempt to try have consistently been met with their venom. Crucified, sacrificed, etc.
The physical appearances are different this time around, but the roles being played out are the same. The baiting of people, the lies, the rumours, the slander, it’s all the same. The very real possibility that we are about to repeat is very high. You have an informant force, that is connected like no other time in history. Yet the ignorance is just as great, if not worst. I begin to believe that there must of been those in other times who saw the capacity early on, and who also tried to make others aware, I imagine that they were also ignored by the masses.
The human mindset when it seeks to hate and destroy goes out in one big wave, and it’s constantly repeating.
Witch trials, Inquisitions, Nazi Germany, The Stasi, McCarthyism, to a lesser degree, but it’s the same capacity, and the same desire, this need to feed and they pick a target, and begin to seek out and try to find ways to devour it’s flesh, human sacrifice is what these people know and understand, then and now.
My time spent learning has been interesting. The methods also do not change that much, the methods used for destroying a target, making them appear to be less then human, making them into objects, things that can be destroyed. People are so willing to walk a mile for the destruction of the innocent, everyone loves a good sacrifice, but they would hardly take one step to save each others. They feel justified and righteous, but what I saw reflected was people who would delight, find glee, seek and desire the destruction of others. No remorse or repentance. What I saw in them, is reflected back here, and like a mirror, they will not like what they see or read, but at least this will be the truth. People’s ignorance, is one of the most inherent dangers the human species faces.
These people also do not welcome truth in anytime period either.
Moving on with the things that leave me hopeful. I have talked about the bad stuff, and now I will move on to the good stuff. In trying to find ways to awaken people, so that they will not take this path again, I have observed many communities across the net. I am constantly trying to find out if awareness is spreading, is understanding of this time being gained, or do people remain as blissfully ignorant as I was about the time that we are in? What I have observed is interesting. The government shrills are hard at work, I see them in many ways pushing an agenda, posting this idea hear, this thought here, trying to influence how people think, and trying to lead the discussions in this or that direction on some of these forums. Walking down a path that might lead to truth. They are hard at work and doing a good job. Websites that I expect to be helping to wake people up surprisingly are not. I have watched one site, go from extremely aware members, to either mostly shrills, or they are attracting really dumbed down people, and that is always dangerous. As the New York plot has shown us, when people are not very smart, they can be manipulated and used.
Others sites I have been surprised, one website where I was expecting to find hate, I have found something else. Sure you have people with hateful attitudes, ideals, separate from my own, that was expected, but then you also have people that have very aware attitudes. Yet within the spectrum, you have people who see the time period for what it is, the capacity for history to repeat, but on a different scale. Who understand the police state and the formation that is happening. You get a lot of what was expected and anticipated, but on an unexpected note, you also have voices that see the time unfolding and dear I say it, are trying to alert others around them. This is not what I expected to come across in those neck of the woods, but an awareness capacity is there. I have been looking for hope, for a sign that we can stop this time period from happening again, and I find it in the most surprising and unexpected places. When you delve past the expected and overt, there is the unexpected and aware.
It’s almost like the people who think that they are not hateful, and who are think they are creating a better world are the ones who are helping to destroy others. They don’t see that their actions are covertly hateful. Where the other group, they understand that they are not favored in society, they understand that in many circles they are hated, and not respected, but yet they some also have an understanding of the time that is coming. That light and awareness was not what I expected to find, but I did.
Is my thinking warped, am I off my rocker, no? There is more to this battle than flesh and blood. There is a spiritual side, with vibrations, and human consciousness, things that can’t be explained at the outset, but go a long way towards making a difference in the human outcome. I don’t expect most people to try to understand this aspect, they are happy with what they can see on the surface and I will leave it at that. Jesus for his time was criticised for being a friend to sinners and publicans, so I think I am in good hands.
There is so much negative energy being generated within the informant force, the same kind that contributed to things like the witch trials, and Inquisitions, Nazi Germany, Stasi Germany, McCarthyism. Those people in those times, felt righteous in their actions, they used the same flawed logic, the same rumour mongering and they also destroyed their innocent victims much in the same way that this society does. Where the witch trials burnt people at the stake, this society just eats away at a person till they are destroyed in a different manner. Less blood on the hands, but it the same results, and the blood is sacrificed once more.
If nothing else in this world I want to take the time to understand those things which I can. Most of my life I wondered how, how could Hitlers Germany have happened, how could people have gone along with it? Why did they not see the true evil of their actions? The books could not teach me, only the human experience could teach me, and I am once more made whole, and connected. Life is consciousness, awareness, it’s so much more than the flesh and blood we see, but most of our lives are lived thinking that there is little else.
The world has not ceased to amaze me. Where I once thought I would find understanding, and awareness, I have found stupidity, ignorance, and intolerance. I have found covertly hateful actions that are unfathomable, but that I encounter on a daily basis. (Again this is not a blanket statement, within the informant force, I find people who give me hope, and who make me remember why I want to help.) Where traditionally I would expected to find nothing but hate, I have found that, but I have also been pleasantly surprised to find awareness, intelligence in some regards, and a bit of hope that this can still be stopped, that this path may not be walked once more.
What I do know is that is an intelligence in the universe, a consciousness, a will a capacity, and when we can tune into that, when we are not prevented, we begin to see and understand the world in many different capacities. Life is about experience, learning, feeling? As humans we have an incredible capacity for good, but we also have an amazing capacity for evil, and for destroying each other and for doing unspeakable, unfathomable things to each other, then walking away and covering them up, as if nothing happened. Humans are funny that way, but to try to understand them, is interesting.
What I do know, if we had a greater threat than ourselves, eg. project Blue Beam, alien attack, etc, we would learn to work together. We would learn to look past our differences, and see each other as one race, one people, maybe not everyone, but most people, it would be us against them. Humans are never as cooperative, as when there is a war or threat involved, a fight. So you get wars on drugs, and terror. They are very effective when pointed towards a common enemy, a common goal, a greater good, even if it’s based on a lie. That’s why there are always divisions, as long as they have someone to hate, or to focus their differences on, they have this amazing capacity to work together. War makes strange bed fellows. Uniting rich and poor, black and white, men and women, different politics and religions, different classes, because then people for a time forget about the minor differences, realise that we are all one, and focus on the greater enemy, and those are the times, human corporation it seems can be achieved. Don’t think that those who would enslave humanity are not aware of this little flawed logic in our history.
At present the vibrational energy, the normal stuff that David Icke and other like him talk about is at a low point. If we can bring that back up, then we might stand a chance. One thing that I understand about Gang Stalking is that it is designed to bring this energy down to it’s lowest common denominator. Those around the target in a sense feed off of this. Anyways, I am going to continue to do what I came here to do, for as long as I can. I will remain prayerful and hopeful, because it’s the only thing that I know for sure that works, it might take time, but if you are consistent it can work. I will pray for light where there is darkness, light/love where there is hate, and understanding where there is ignorance. If this time does come once more, than at least I know I have done my best. I did try.
They wonder why I dislike them.
I was in my apartment as usual minding my own business, when I heard my door press in, but it’s locked so it just makes that sound, like someone is trying the door. Anyways I went to investigate. So I stand there. The door does it again. I check the peep hole, but don’t see anything, but the door does it again. Like someone is pushing in my door. I also press on the door from the inside, and the door presses again, like someone is pushing it in. So I open it, cause I want to see who is there.
I know not a sane thing to do at that time of the night, but really. Guess what a shock it’s the creepy neighbour guy. So I am like WTH are doing at my door at this time of night? He has nothing to say, because he has just been caught. It’s like the last time I caught this loser peeking through the slot at the same time of night. Maybe he has an early morning disease that makes him have to peek into other people’s homes, or attempt to push in or open the door. My personal theory is that he is probably an ex jail job, one of those ones they let out, and one that I would keep little kids away from. Then again I don’t like him.
These people wonder why I want bad things to happen to them, just like the last time I caught this guy at the door, he had nothing to say and just goes back into his apartment. I don’t know if he was trying to break in, or just rip down my signs again, but the f*cker is creepy as hell. He is exactly what I think those former Stasi types would look like.
Let’s see as a Targeted Individual, I know better than to waste time with the police. I no longer trust them after my experiences with trying to get the Gang Stalking stopped. The last time I tried to file a report with them, if you recall they were kind enough to twist the details. At the same time, the snitch needs to be put on a very short lease. I really find it offensive that these people get away with this stuff. I would not doubt if the loser came up with a story of how he was out for an innocent stroll, when I just magically decided to open the door at the same time and start yelling at him. I am sure that these people, are are as creepy as they were in East Germany, or worst.
I don’t want to make too light a deal of this, because I am pretty sure they use mentally disturbed people, and he may well in time prove to be one of these types of people, but at the same time, I don’t want to blow it out of proportion either. Who knows if he will wonder to any other doors in future, maybe actually break into an apartment in future. Then again they all cover for each other so I wonder if it would even matter, if a snitch commits a crime against another snitch is it really a crime? Finding the right balance, protecting myself, society and punishing creepy Stasi losers.
I think someone needed a little bit of free publicity so here it is. Eleanor White dropped by one of my blogs and left a comment. This post is in response to the comment that was left. I don’t want to spend too much time on this, but as I said before, I felt this issue had gone on long enough and recently choose to intervene.
[quote]I’m sorry the author of the “gang” stalking web sites and e-book can’t seem to grasp why I object to the term “gang” stalking. I thought my reviews explained that pretty clearly.[/quote]
Eleanor, I appreciate that you, object to the use of the term. I appreciate that you and those working towards the same goal as you, want to have people discontinue the use of the term Gang Stalking.
I disagree with this. I think if you and yours wish to use the term, then please use the term for your activism. You are deterring the efforts of others, others who have had success with the term.
I have pointed out that some use the term Community Mobbing, Community Harassment, and several others to describe the same thing, and I think that is fine, as long as they get the correct message across to the audience.
[quote]I’ve been an activist for 13 years, and during three of those years, I spent some time almost every day right out in the street, discussing the crime of organized stalking and electronic harassment with the public.[/quote]
That’s great Eleanor, I have spent just under three years and I have been using the term Gang Stalking, and that has worked just fine for me and several others. If this term does not work for you, then I appreciate this. However by telling others that the preferred term is Organised Stalking, you are interfering with the rights of others to use the terms they prefer. I have now seen others on the Internet telling others that they have to use Organised Stalking now, and that is not correct or accurate.
If this is the term you prefer, then great. I think it’s wonderful that you and some of yours wish to use the term. I think that there is more than enough room in the Targeted Individual community for a variety of terms.
[quote]I tried a number of terms. Other anti-OS activists have also tried a number of terms.
With “gang” stalking, I found that the mind of my listener immediately and consistently got the image that I was talking about being stalked by some sort of ordinary gang, such as race gang, youth gang, biker gang, or Mafia.[/quote]
Great Eleanor, I don’t know what your demographics are, and I don’t know who you come across in your activism.
Eg. Someone coming across someone from the Cointelpro era might wish to use that term. Someone coming across a demographic that is riddled with the stop snitching, informant culture, might wish to use another term, and coming across people from Eastern Europe, I find reference to Stasi to work a bit better.
I encounter a lot of younger people, I also encounter a lot of cultural diversity and I use the term that best suits the situation. Not every term will work for every person, so I use what’s appropriate and make sure that the right concept is getting across. I adapt to the situation and that works for me, because of who I am.
Maybe organised stalking worked for you, because of who you were and the types of people that you came across.
[quote]That is clearly the WRONG picture of current day organized stalking groups.[/quote]
The way you do it, yes. But for some of the demographics that I reach it’s not. There are people that like the slang Gang Stalking, and it works with some demographics. The ones that will get this culturally accepted as other methods have not worked as well. So why not work all angles? What’s the reason for trying to get rid of the term that has been a success for three years, and starting from scratch. It’s the same as if we tried to get rid of the term Targeted Individuals, it would just destroy those efforts.
[quote]I have tried “vigilante stalking” too. That worked to some degree, but didn’t seem to paint a really clear picture in the minds of my listeners.[/quote]
Again Eleanor it’s how you present it, and who is presenting it. It’s all based on who the activist is, and the demographics that you try to reach, what works for one, does not work for another. If you look across the net, the term has reach a variety of groups, they are familiar with the term and they use it. I refuse to see that effort killed because you have a preferred term.
I have a preferred goal of getting this exposed, and I think using whatever terms work, to get the concept across. I could not use the term vigilante stalking with a straight face, because I hate the term, add all the false disinformation bs that goes with it. Another person whoever could use the term with no discomfort and probably over 85-95% success rate.
I say give them a bunch of terms. Having reviewed discussions about this, and the conversations people get up to, I see some refer to it as Cointelpro again, others as Stasi, let people use what they want to use, as long as the end message is the same, more or less and the concept get’s across, because exposure is the key.
In the modern day world Eleanor, it’s not the up to down effect that get terms introduced into society, it’s often the other way around. The terms start at a ground level, or urban level, gain popularity and go from there, that is the trend I am seeing with other terms and concepts that have become popularised and mainstream, and that is the angle that I am using.
Please don’t take this the wrong way Eleanor. You tend to be very old fashioned about certain things, and I like to take a modern approach, look for new ways to get things done, to reach and work with a modern audience. I like to use those methods and concepts, that works for me, and some others like me. This might not work for you, that’s fine.
[quote]Then Lynn Troxel originated “organized” stalking. By FAR, that term brings the unaware listener to an accurate picture of the crime of OS, and does so quickly.[/quote]
It does not however. When I sought help, the terms and concept that worked best was community mobbing, because people have an idea of what mobbing is, and by saying it happens in the community, they got that. The same was true when I sought help at the other websites. Two of the mobbing sites based on the description I gave, immediately decided to add links to Gang Stalking websites, I emailed about 10-15 stalking sites, and they did not see the relevance to what happens to them. Think about that, those activists did not see the relevance or significance.
[quote]In the effort to first educate the public, and eventually get the crime stopped, I feel the term which creates an accurate picture of the crime, and does so quickly, is quite important to find and use. The unaware public is not interested in taking on “another headache” or another worry, and doesn’t give anti-OS activists much in the way of attention span. Often just seconds.[/quote]
I think if you use the most accurate term and do not add the appropriate information this does no good. I have spoken to you before about the continued effort of letting people think this is vigilantes, or right wing extremists behind this, but you keep pushing David Lawson. Oddly enough.
[quote]This is why I speak out against “gang” stalking and promote “organized” stalking. Nothing more mysterious than that.[/quote]
I don’t know if I believe that, but it does not matter. The point is what you and the others associated with this effort are doing is killing other efforts that have gone before. Where to really have maximum effectiveness, people should have a variety of terms at their arsenal to help with getting this exposed. Many hate the term organized stalking, and do not feel that it truly expresses what is happening to them. The stalking term vs the mobbing term for example. They don’t feel that stalking even comes close to describing what is happening, and it takes the attention away from the meat and potatoes. I let people use what they want. I want to train people up to do their own thing, not be told what to do, and use. I do agree that uniformity is nice to have in some quarters, but I fully disagree in this one.
[quote]I also object to activism materials that state government is doing the stalking. We do not have evidence, as of today, which proves that. Such claims are part of the e-book “Bridging the Gap.”[/quote]
Oddly enough, you were happy to support David Lawson and unsubstantiated claims of vigilante stalking, but you have a problem with this. You never had more than David Lawson claiming this was done by vigilante gangs, but you never objecting to misleading people down this path, but with so much proof that government is doing this you object.
We have Tim Rice telling us that they were doing 24/7 surveillance on Journalist and others.
We have the ACLU telling us about Fusion centers and what they are doing, and about people being put under investigations. That these people will be communicating in code.
We have a billion and one articles from the Uk press telling us about the covert surveillance that individuals are being placed under, and the tactics being used, which match ours in many cases.
I have posted a passage from a police training manual about how to handle informants, and the book even says that they use a one handed sign language.
Bob the lawyer some of you all hired has said this. The success that people have had with court cases mostly involve going after the government. I speak of Donald Friedman and the FOIA released, and Jesus Medoza and what he heard back from his case, that he has blogged about.
Not to mention the book the Buzzsaw, which show how journalist go through something similar.
Plus the history of Cointelpro and the Stasi.
With all this you were willing to put forward and support a theory and book, that had the potential to get targets in trouble, but you object to hard information.
The ebook in question, just like the hiddenevil.com, have you had a chance to review that site? http:www.TheHiddenEvil.com let me know what you think. You must have just been sleeping, and missed this site.
Have evidence to show that the government could be behind this.
I think the ebook in question that you are referring to, asks the question of why would the government do this to their own citizens, and the book answers the question. Do you want books, and material looking at the issue of Gang Stalking to leave this stuff out? That does not sound right to make. I get that you making unfounded accusations is not good, but that is not the case. The books back up their theories with current research. Including research from the ACLU on modern fusion centers.
[quote]There is nothing hidden or nefarious in my credibility reviews on:[/quote]
When I fist say you and Kelly discussing this I thought oh my gosh, witch hunt. I left it as it was. I wondered how long it would be till my site and other legit sites made the witch hunt, but I left it as it was, because I knew it was coming, but I hoped the community would be smarter than that.
Those reviews are again, your opinion of what you think is good and bad, and you want others to mindlessly agree to this without thinking.
As per the email I sent you, requesting you remove my site, because I did not appreciate it there. I did not think that you had the right to label my site bogus, because you do not like alphabetical order. I did send you an email and you said if I changed the order of my listing, I might get approved, well you know what I think of that?
You are putting sites there for minor things, so instead of going after the people, these so called credibility reports allow you to go after their sites, which amounts to the same thing. You go after their sites, and then it’s all done under the guise of what’s best for the community. I really do care about this, because it’s my life, and I do need to get this stopped. Joining the dark side is not an option for me.
Case in point. I will use my site but I think there are a few others on their that should not be there.
The so called credibility review says:
Eleanor White rating: BOGUS (trivializes the crime)
November 21, 2008
[quote]WEB SITE: http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Techniques.html
SITE TITLE: Gang Stalking World
EW: This well-executed web site rates a BOGUS because it
misleads the visitor from the public into believing that
targets of organized stalking and electronic harassment are worrying about things that are trivial and not serious, and in fact common occurrences of every day life.[/quote]
The site misleads the visitors in what capacity? This is not the front page of the site, which is what people see.
Second of all, the page is in alphabetical order, because some of us who do research like it that way.
If this is your reason for calling a site bogus, how much good are these reviews actually doing for this community? Honestly, they are targeting some good sites, that could help people for minor things, which I believed was going to be the case all along.
[quote]Next notice the very first, most prominent technique this site describes. The first item is presumably the one that causes targets of organized stalking the most grief. It is listed as “Air Stalking.” In other words, the site cries out against aircraft stalking targets on the ground!
That concern literally shouts “paranoia” to the world.[/quote]
No really Eleanor to the educated public who can think for themselves, this shouts alphabetical order, and I wont be changing this for anyone.
Oh yeah, the other thing about these so called credibitlity reviews when you and Kelly first cooked them up was that you were going to be reviewing specific pages or sections to say what could be impoved, or why it was or was not good, instead you have used the oppertunity to use the reviews to discredit websites in whole.
Youre reviews are not saying, I don’t like websitex.com because of this page or this section, you are targeting the whole website, by picking one little section.
Eg. You primarily are picking on the techniques page for Gang Stalking World, and a picture or something, but using this to declear the whole site as bogus, notice the word you choose to use? Not Eleanor disapproves, but bogus, making people think the site has no credibility, which is not the case. It’s just like if I did this, but used the word fraud, to describe some of your websites.
If you really were interested in anything other than a witch hunt, you would have also used better words, and reviewed the pages and listed the pages specifically and not attacked the full site.
You on your website
I think the picture of the militia guy that you have on your site, just does not work for me, for various reasons. I also think the section about Terri Schindler, on your site would give people the wrong message. I know it gave me the wrong message when I first started looking for stuff that could help.
You also have things about people’s cats being tortured to death. Though I respect this, as part of the targeted individual community, are you kidding me, do you think a new site visitor might not think we are a little Lonnie for this?
I know when I first saw your site, no offense, but I was really put off, from your site and a couple of others, and stayed away from it for some time. I think your site has some good information, but you talk about giving the wrong impression. I am going to leave it at that, because I am not hear to bash your site.
If I like a site, I like to it and use that. I try to avoid bashing things, unless I think it will be detrimental to real targets, and then I take a stand.
I think if you have sites that you like, then create a website of good and approved information that you and yours can use. That’s what I do, there are so many YouTube videos that I know are not good, but I don’t attack those, the same way I don’t for the most part out agents. I just try to point people to good sites or material I think will help them.
[quote]My only purpose is to assist targets in selecting the best materials for the fight to expose and stop organized stalking.
With all due respect Eleanor, I do not feel that you are doing this with your credibility reviews, and i definitely don’t feel that you are doing this with your members, telling people which terms they can use. It’s not cool, and it’s not right.
People should be able to use what they are comfortable with. This is very quickly becoming use the sites we say and the terms we say or be a pariah, and isn’t the point that people are already segregated in one way, why should their blogs, websites, and materials be also treated the same way?
I don’t think these are good, and when your members get called on this stuff, they accuse others of causing divisions in the community, but realistically, it’s these reviews and your members telling people which terms to use that are causing some of the problems.
I do appreciate you dropping by, at this moment there is nothing else that I feel a need to add to this conversation, if there is anything else that you would like to add, I will be happy to have you post it.
So that those interested in this discussion can read it, I will post it on the blogs.
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